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Old 11-17-2010, 08:05 AM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Would you rather go through a body scan or fly in a plane that explodes?

Blame the terrorists.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:07 AM
 
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I wonder what would happen if everyone just started showing up for their flights buck A$$ naked ?
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Waterford & Sterling Heights, Michigan
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Yes, I have an issue with this scanners. How far is the TSA going to go? What if the terrorist start using body cavities to put their bombs. What if they insert an explosive device in their anus? Are we all going to get cavity searches? What if they put them in their stomach with a timer. What if they develop a type of fabric that can be explosive, are we all going to be flying naked? I don't care if some one sees me naked, but I have a huge issue with someone seen my kids naked or someone touching my kid's private parts, it is just not right.

And besides, terrorist are going to be a step ahead of us, they are always going to find new ways to blow up planes.

Some people say to not fly, and believe me the whole traveling through airports activity has become so unpleasent that we avoid it as much as possible. But with our family overseas is very difficult to avoid it altogether.

There are a lot of people that just cannot avoid flying due to their jobs. The TSA needs to think smarter istead of been so reactive.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:48 AM
 
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Yes, I do have a problem with the blanket use of full body scanners for all airline passengers.

First of all the full body scan clearly violates the 4th amendment right which guards against unreasonable search and seizure. The full body scan is the equivalent to a virtual strip search.
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The odds of being the victim of a terrorist attack on an airplane are one in 10,408,947. Just to give some perspective, the odds of being struck by lightening are one in 500,000.

These scans can not see inside of body cavities. If someone is bound and determined to commit an act of terrorism and smuggle a weapon onto an airplane, they will find a way. I do not think it's wise to give up our constitutional right to be free of unreasonable search for the very slight, hypothetical decrease in likelihood of being the victim of a terrorist attack.

There is also evidence that these full body scans pose cancer risks.
Scientists Warn Naked Body Scanners May Cause Cancer | Civil Liberties | AlterNet

Children are not exempt form these body scanners and one could argue that they violate child pornography laws.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I am angry about this:

“On the pat downs, CAIR [the Council on American-Islamic Relations] has recommended that Muslim women wearing hijabs refuse to go through the full body pat downs before boarding planes. Muslim groups say the scanners go against their religion. One option offered to passengers who don’t want to use the scanners would be a pat down by a security guard. The Muslim groups are urging members to undergo this procedure instead.
CAIR has issued instructions to Muslim women regarding the body pat down.
CAIR Travel Advisory: New Airport Pat Downs Called Invasive, Humiliating:



Special recommendations for Muslim women who wear hijab:
  • If you are selected for secondary screening after you go through the metal detector and it does not go off, and “sss” is not written on your boarding pass, ask the TSA officer if the reason you are being selected is because of your head scarf.
  • In this situation, you may be asked to submit to a pat down or to go through a full body scanner. If you are selected for the scanner, you may ask to go through a pat down instead.
  • Before you are patted down, you should remind the TSA officer that they are only supposed to pat down the area in question, in this scenario, your head and neck. They SHOULD NOT subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat down.
Incredulously, when Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano was asked yesterday by CNS News the simple question if she will insist that Muslim women wearing hijabs must go through full body pat downs before boarding planes? She did not say yes or no. She replied, “there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue.

Are babies, old people and nuns more likely to be terrorists than Muslim women, who want to be exempt from security procedures? We will see and hopefully very quickly. This politically correct **** is going to be the death of this country. All people need to be subject to the security rules or none.
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Old 11-17-2010, 09:08 AM
 
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I am concerned about the radiation exposure. The pat down is not a problem for me.
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Old 11-17-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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I have no problem with the full body scanners. But, I do have problems with the individuals behind the scanners. Those individuals should have high integrity, trustworthiness and top of the line professionalism. Matter of fact, I see the above requirements 99% of the time. The problem is that 1% who are not worthy of that position.
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Old 11-17-2010, 09:59 AM
 
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You are right about that. I was listening to Neal Boortz and he told a story of going through the security years ago and got separated from his baggage and actually watched an "agent" go through his carry on from a partitioned off area and protested, only to discover his camera and an Ipod missing.
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Old 11-17-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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Incredulously, when Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano was asked yesterday by CNS News the simple question if she will insist that Muslim women wearing hijabs must go through full body pat downs before boarding planes? She did not say yes or no. She replied, “there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue.

Hmm, I guess for air travel I will wear a Hijab..where do I get one of those? At "Terrorist's R Us"?
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Old 11-17-2010, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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What is the problem if the person who views the scans sits in a separate room and never actually sees you?
I fly alot, and the only people I know who have problems with full-body security scanners are fat women and lesbians. Don't ask me why this is the case, but it's simply uncanny how those two demographics are the only ones I've ever heard complain. (I flew 23,000 air miles last year).
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