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Old 11-21-2010, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Let's hold them accountable. If any government employee shows traces of drugs, discharge the employee and prosecute. Do the same for food stamp and other welfare recipients. Let's even include people receiving unemployment benefits.

When people live off the earnings of others, they deserve to be treated as second class citizens.
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Old 11-21-2010, 12:16 AM
 
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Old 11-21-2010, 12:23 AM
 
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I think this is a stupid idea.

We should be going in the opposite direction and legalizing drugs. It's a huge waste of time and an unwinnable battle to fight the war on drugs and punish drug users.

Most people who use drugs are just normal, good people. They are not scumbags just because they like to get high on something.

It's the 21st century here. Time to wake up and face reality.
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Old 11-21-2010, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Let's hold them accountable. If any government employee shows traces of drugs, discharge the employee and prosecute. Do the same for food stamp and other welfare recipients. Let's even include people receiving unemployment benefits.

When people live off the earnings of others, they deserve to be treated as second class citizens.
Whereas I think forum trolls should be treated as second-class citizens. But I guess we can't all get what we want.
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Old 11-21-2010, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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Where is the money going to come from to fund said program? You realize, of course, drug testing is not perfect and often, secondary, more thorough testing must be done, to confirm a positive test? Prosecute them for what? In most states it's not illegal to be under the influence of a controlled substance, unless you are driving (it is in California).

Great theory, but often times what looks good on a piece of paper, doesn't stand muster.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:03 AM
 
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I think this is a stupid idea.

We should be going in the opposite direction and legalizing drugs. It's a huge waste of time and an unwinnable battle to fight the war on drugs and punish drug users.

Most people who use drugs are just normal, good people. They are not scumbags just because they like to get high on something.

It's the 21st century here. Time to wake up and face reality.

Please explain how exactly legalizing drugs would help society. I'm not totally dissing the idea, but would like some further explanation.

As far as those who abuse/use drugs - I would say that a lot of them are good people who are lost and need help getting free from their addiction. what's unfortunate is that the system that is set up to supposedly help people with addictions, often doesn't due to lack of funding and thinking outside the "box".

I do totally agree with the poster regarding welfare recipients and unemployment checks getting regular drug testing and if they test positive for illegal drugs, they should be cut off or given a probationary period. Why? It's not about them being scumbags, it's about people who are supposedly so poor that they need government (taxpayer) money in order to survive. How about quitting their drug habit in order to save money, eh? Actually, they should also test them for nicotine and alcohol, as both of those are quite pricey as well and not the bare minimum necessities. If you are getting govt handouts, you should be at a place where you need help surviving - meaning food, clothing, shelter - not the ability to continue to buy your daily weed need or cig fix or daily booze dose. What happens if they test positive? Put the money that would be spent on welfare or unemployment and put them through addiction treatment program. Of course, we'd have to fix the addiction/mental health field first, but...
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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A core american value is personal choice. Sorry, but this is an invasion of privacy.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:08 AM
 
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A core american value is personal choice. Sorry, but this is an invasion of privacy.

But private companies can do this to their employees and they do. You can choose to not work for them if you don't agree with that policy. Just as one can choose to not get welfare or unemployment if they don't want to be drug tested. Your right, it is all a personal choice.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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But private companies can do this to their employees and they do. You can choose to not work for them if you don't agree with that policy. Just as one can choose to not get welfare or unemployment if they don't want to be drug tested. Your right, it is all a personal choice.
Things like welfare are public benefits that all tax payers get if they are eligible. The recipients aren't entering into a contract with the US govt for these services.

As an employer, the govt can make different decisions. Drug testing for govt employees is a separate issue from what happens with people using social services.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:26 AM
 
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So people who receive public benefits due to a supposed economic hardship should not have to follow any rules whatsoever in order to receive those public benefits? Actually I don't understand any part of your point. Perhaps you would like to elaborate?
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