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Old 11-21-2010, 09:14 AM
 
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The Republican Party used to be a fairly moderate party. They actually wanted what was best for the country. They had people like Ike Eisenhower and even Nixon who was actually a decent President if you put aside the fact that he was a criminal. I could have voted for either of them (wasn't old enough). I did vote for George HW Bush and Reagan when he was running for his 2nd term. But in the last several years, that party has been drifting more and more towards the nutcase right. It has become a party of sociopaths, religious nutcases, racist, confederates who still want to fight the civil war and now the TEA people who harken for a time about 200 years ago. In the long term, that is not going to help them.
I find it absolutely ASTOUNDING that Eisenhower couldn't win office as a dogcatcher in todays Republican Party. Modern day Repubs don't even talk about him anymore and treat his legacy almost as if he's a leper. LOL...SMH..the last great Republican president of the last century and he's a nobody in his party. I just don't get it.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:15 AM
 
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The only candidate they ran that seems not to be a total looney is Rubio.
Rubio is a Repub politician that used the TPers, he will turn on them, just as will the other Repubs.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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I find it absolutely ASTOUNDING that Eisenhower couldn't win office as a dogcatcher in todays Republican Party. Modern day Repubs don't even talk about him anymore and treat his legacy almost as if he's a leper. LOL...SMH..the last great Republican president of the last century and he's a nobody in his party. I just don't get it.
In 1950, Barack Obama would likely be considered a moderate Republican.


Politics and political philosophy is not a fixed thing, it does in fact evolve. 30 years ago there was no such things as Neoconservatism, yet today it is extremely prevalent and even leeches across both sides of the political aisle.

How would Teddy Roosevelt be seen by the contemporary GOP? Remember he was the "trust buster", that put a leash on corporations of his day.

One can just as easily look at traditional Liberalism and how it has morphed and evolved since the early 1960's. I would consider Dennis Kucinich to be one of the best examples of a "classical Liberal" and yet his own party treated him like a pariah during the last election in favor of far far more hawkish candidates like Clinton and Obama.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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In 1950, Barack Obama would likely be considered a moderate Republican.


Politics and political philosophy is not a fixed thing, it does in fact evolve. 30 years ago there was no such things as Neoconservatism, yet today it is extremely prevalent and even leeches across both sides of the political aisle.

How would Teddy Roosevelt be seen by the contemporary GOP? Remember he was the "trust buster", that put a leash on corporations of his day.

One can just as easily look at traditional Liberalism and how it has morphed and evolved since the early 1960's. I would consider Dennis Kucinich to be one of the best examples of a "classical Liberal" and yet his own party treated him like a pariah during the last election in favor of far far more hawkish candidates like Clinton and Obama.
So true. You've obviously got your finger on the pulse of what's going on.

It's hilarious that you bring up Teddy Roosevelt cuz i've actually heard modern day Repubs ripping his legacy a new A-hole a lot in the last 5 years. All of a sudden, he's a commie now according to quite a few righties that i know. SMH...i'm almost sure that i heard Glenn Beck ripping the guy, even though i can't find tape of him doing it.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:41 AM
 
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So true. You've obviously got your finger on the pulse of what's going on.

It's hilarious that you bring up Teddy Roosevelt cuz i've actually heard modern day Repubs ripping his legacy a new A-hole a lot in the last 5 years. All of a sudden, he's a commie now according to quite a few righties that i know. SMH...i'm almost sure that i heard Glenn Beck ripping the guy, even though i can't find tape of him doing it.
Well I tended to get a good laugh out of the term "RINO", as I can think of no finer example. Republican in name only was given to people like William Buckley Jr. and Senator Chuck Hagel who I both consider to be staunch conservatives, but alas they were not contemporary Republicans. I assert that what it is to be a Republican today isn't characterized by traditional definitions of conservationism. The Republican Party, like its counter part has evolved and changed over the years.

The contemporary establishment Republican Party has been one that has embraced social conservatism, militarism, and a penchant to use 'big government' to progress its own social issues in order to placate the social conservatives. This is not the Republican Party I grew up with, nor is it the Republican Party many others grew up with either.

People tend to confuse, conflate and mis-define definitions and terms, as if you notice around here people use the terms conservative and republican interchangeably when nothing could be further from the truth. Forgetting all together the many conservative Democrats in the south.

There is also many aspects to conservatism as well as liberalism and a quick search on the wiki offers a great deal of information on the subject of both.

Unfortunately we live in times of sound bytes and knee jerks and for the sake of condensing everything down into one of two boxes, left and right, this and that, conservative and liberal, black and white, good and evil, we lose the nuances and essence that are so important to political discussions.

Which of course leads me to one of the greatest ironies of all, when considering how much time is spent defending and attacking various personalities and issues, the one place too few spend too little time on is the core foundational aspects of their own political philosophies, let alone that of others.
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Old 11-21-2010, 09:43 AM
 
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Oh, and as to Teddy, ha ha, yeah he would probably be considered not just a RINO but a facist commie pinko socialist marxist.
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Old 11-21-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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Oh, and as to Teddy, ha ha, yeah he would probably be considered not just a RINO but a facist commie pinko socialist marxist.
LOL...yep.
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