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Old 01-12-2011, 02:10 PM
 
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So you're okay with living in a dictatorship as long as it pushes an agenda you agree with?
What, do you not want to live in a world where the leader proposes what you want?
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Old 01-12-2011, 02:54 PM
 
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What, do you not want to live in a world where the leader proposes what you want?

And what if your dear leader proposes something that you don't want? What will protect you from that?
Apparently you don't quite understand what dictatorship really means.

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Old 01-12-2011, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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It's impossible to live in a world where a leader proposes what you want, because everyone wants a variety of different things. That is why social democracies fail and are usually a quick transitionary phase in the middle of republic and revolution/anarchy, as it transcends down the evolutionary ladder from former to latter.

As for Sweden, the ***whipping the social democrats faced in 2007 is further proof that change is in the air.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:15 AM
 
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And what if your dear leader proposes something that you don't want? What will protect you from that?
Apparently you don't quite understand what dictatorship really means.


Nothing will protect me from that and I never actually stated that I WANT to live in a dictatorship (other than the imaginary one I proposed which is impossible.)

Now please focus on the topic and quit trying to figure out what I do and do not understand.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:17 AM
 
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As for Sweden, the ***whipping the social democrats faced in 2007 is further proof that change is in the air.
Change is always in the air, or right around the corner, in politics. Seems to be the only stable truth about it.
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Old 01-16-2011, 11:36 AM
 
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Socialism gives people freedom because it tries to make sure that everybody gets a fair chance in life. That is what freedom is all about.

So explain to us how dictating individual rights and re-distributing the wealth of someone else is freedom? That is the most backwards thinking I have seen in years. It is like saying "You are free to choose as long as you choose what I approve of". It is pure idiocy to attend to the idea that somehow by taking away choices and dictating ones direction that you are supporting freedom. This is garbage peddled by the educational institutions who are so darn smart that they radiate stupidity.

If you want to understand freedom, look it up in the dictionary and stop redefining words to fit an ideal of your liking. Freedom means I have the right to decide for myself. It means I can succeed or fail by my own merit, by my own choices and the only one responsible to that is me. It means if I work hard to gain 100 dollars and my neighbor doesn't work hard and only gets 10, then it is EXACTLY as both of us have chosen it to be. Any attempt to claim otherwise is peddling lies and ignorance to promote a self interest.


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Is America really the land of the free? After all, if you're born poor you are likely to stay poor, you will not be able to afford higher education.
Complete garbage. A person is likely to be that which they choose to be. There are MILLIONS of stories of people who grew up poor, with nothing, and became extremely wealthy because of their work ethic and drive. As for education, this again is pure crap. I worked my way through college, my wife worked her way through college and most of my friends who also grew up in poor settings also worked their way through college. Guess what? All of them were from varying ethnic backgrounds as well.

I used to hear this garbage from my professors in school and their thinking was a result of being worthless in a practical environment and so they lived out their arrogant little lives in their ivory towers clueless about the real world as they pranced around living in a fantasy world of their creation. I have met far more idiots with PHDs than I have those without education.

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That is not a fair society, in a fair society everybody should have the right to good education and good health care.
Please leave your childish naive perceptions at the door. Life is not fair, it is hard, filled with obstacles and pressures to which require dedication from each individual. Each person is not equal and has varying aspects of their makeup which they must struggle to overcome in order to excel. Nobody is at fault for the hand that one is dealt, but EVERYONE is responsible for how they play that hand. This is called responsibility, something that has been ignored in the lethargic lazy attitude of the spoiled masses growing up today who think they are entitled to that of another because they simply draw in and out breath.
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Old 01-16-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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excellent point. Most MBAs in the U.S. move to China now to get real jobs
Complete and utter nonsense. I have an MBA and know many other MBAs andyour assertion is simply not true.
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Old 01-16-2011, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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For those who think socialism is so horrible...

I think you'll find most U.S. citizens would be in favor of "some" social programs. I italicize and bold "some" as its value will vary depending on the individual.

Federalism is a good place to start in running the government. Compromise is necessary to achieve 'domestic Tranquility'. Yes, it is understood that there are some who insist upon government interference. So be it.

And given the nature of the function of the U.S., its intent for free markets, personal responsibility, it becomes obvious that not all people are going to be self sufficient. Therein, an acceptance of social programs, to insure that all have an opportunity for a warm bed, a secure roof. But no Cadillac. And no cadillac insurance.
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Old 01-16-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Change is always in the air, or right around the corner, in politics. Seems to be the only stable truth about it.
But, if the system was so good, why the sudden change in parties?

Hint: Swedes want more. You cannot contain human nature of desiring a better life. They want more than just "to be comfortable". They want to be rich, the ability to be rich.
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Old 01-17-2011, 03:08 PM
 
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But, if the system was so good, why the sudden change in parties?

Hint: Swedes want more. You cannot contain human nature of desiring a better life. They want more than just "to be comfortable". They want to be rich, the ability to be rich.
Hint: I know those Swedes who want to and who DID become rich. And they left. I admire their system in some ways, but it is obviously not the place to be a multi millionaire. I am well aware of that.

The average Swede is, sorry to point out, still more literate than the average American. Honestly, you will find more average Swedes speaking better English too, compared to Americans. I just want my nations people (Americans) to increase their standard of intelligence, language proficiency, public trust and many more things. It doesnt hurt to refer to other places for some inspiration, although obviously, no country is perfect.
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