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Old 01-18-2011, 08:00 PM
 
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no, thats what american conservativism stand for actually.
American conservatism stands for limited government, personal responsibility and individual freedom.
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Old 01-18-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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Maybe we should put in a government that makes us learn to use proper grammar and syntax and spell words correctly. That would be a big start. That way others will have an easier time understanding us which will increase their likelihood of having a better grasp of socialism because we'd actually be able to read up on in rather than being indoctrinated by FAUX News. You have to learn how to read first, though.
thank you for caring about the uneducated hispanic that is so liberal of you!!! We have government run schools. perhaps maybe socialize education is the problem. We are not quite socialist yet, and look at that, socialst already failed me, some people call themselve smart all the while putting chains on their own wrist for the government. I call them stupid!!!
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Old 01-19-2011, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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no, facism is Far-right
Fascism is pro-gun for citizens? Fascism is for an unbridled free-market? Sure didn't sound like Nazi Germany to me. Maybe someone someday will explain to me how fascism is right-winged, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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actually, they are polar opposites. Facism=goverment controls everything. communism=state owns everything
LOL wut?

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no, thats what american conservativism stand for actually.
LOL wut?
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Old 01-19-2011, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Funny

Too bad that free-market fascists can't really come up with any modern-day examples of an unfettered free-market society that is truly prosperous and thriving for the majority of its citizens (and not just a tiny cabal of disgustingly corrupt elites)....
19th century America. Largest real GDP growth and highest increase in the standard of living in American history and possibly the world's history.

LOL @ "fascist" as fascists are leftist control freaks.
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Old 01-19-2011, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I wouldn't say that exactly. Communism yes, but fascism takes influence from the far right. Consider the political spectrum.

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/socpol.gif (broken link)

http://esl.fis.edu/vocab/images/politicalSpectrum.gif
No one ever on CD has come up with a reason on how fascism is "right winged". It doesn't provide for gun rights for citizens, doesn't have anywhere near an unfettered free market, doesn't provide for individual liberties. When I pose the question, people point to a web URL and say "because he says so, that's why".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFXuGIpsdE0

Now look at MY spectrum...@ 1:15.

"people who say fascism is right winged never define their terms".
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Old 01-19-2011, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Entitlements do not benefit all citizens whereas roads do.
From my perspective, roads are entitlements, too. I look at the interstate highway system, and wonder why my taxes are being used to fund this thing that I don't use. Just like conservatives look at welfare, and wonder why they are paying taxes to take care of the poor through forms of welfare.

This wasn't an issue for me until until I noticed the conservatives (who seemed to get much more vocal these last 2 years) complaining about supporting those welfare programs. That's why I joined this thread. Many people today seem to feel socialism is only OK, when they benefit from it.
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:48 AM
 
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From my perspective, roads are entitlements, too. I look at the interstate highway system, and wonder why my taxes are being used to fund this thing that I don't use.
The federal government is in charge of "providing" for the defense of the nation. Interstate highway systems came about due to the need to have the ability to move our armies (and supplies) easily across the nation to provide for that defense. Something that Germany was doing with its Autobahn and Eisenhower understood the defensive planning and benefits of such a venture.

Now you may have an argument that there is no longer a "need" for such due to exenstive technology these days, but this is why the road systems were created and it fits within the duties and limited powers of the federal government.

Certainly, the systems purpose and the funding it receives has gotten out of hand and lost its purpose, so you could argue that there should only be a limited infrastructure to obtain its original goals, but it is certainly not "the same" as the other systems you attempt to liken it to as those are not systems for the purpose of defense and outside the authority of the Federal Government.
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Austin
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My God, half these people remind me of my brother-in-law suffering from clinical paranoia. People like him that think everything the government does is some conspiracy against the people. I don't know what paint fumes he sniffed as a kid, but it disturbs me to no end knowing several people want small government. The Libertarian Party's ideas may sound plausible on paper, but they're unfeasible in reality. There can't be limited government in a country with over 300 million people. We're no longer colonists under the British crown, nor are we pioneers settling the frontier. For those who fell asleep in history class, there's now a global economy to which America is the number one contributor.

I tell you what! Here's an idea for several people wanting to cut government spending. What do you say we get rid of all public schools, libraries, police departments, fire brigades, parks, and post offices? Hell, while we're at it, why don't we get rid of the military and ax social security, the CIA, FDA, DHS, FEMA, ATF, U.S. Marshalls, DEA, EPA, state police, and U.S. Customs. We can even eliminate all prisons and let the inmates roam the streets. That way none of those murderers, rapists, child molesters, arsonists, extortionists, mobsters, wife beaters, and other scumbags don't have to pay any taxes, either.

Is anyone interested in living in a country like Somalia with no government and no taxes? Let's see how well that flies in a nation terrified of immigrants from Mexico and awash of propaganda from FOX News regarding the global war on terror. Since the word "socialism" makes people salivate like Pavlov's dog because it makes them start thinking of communism, why not give anarchy a try? That way only those with money will be afforded these amenities. Would anyone else out there like to limit the size of our government since socialism is so horrible while deregulated capitalism, plutocracy, and anarchy are better choices according to the conservatives?
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Austin
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19th century America. Largest real GDP growth and highest increase in the standard of living in American history and possibly the world's history.

LOL @ "fascist" as fascists are leftist control freaks.
Larger countries with more people necessitate more government. If you don't believe me, read Foundation by Isaac Asimov. He compared it to living in a house with one bathroom. It's no big deal when there are two people there, but there must be rules set when there are twenty. It's beyond me how people think government is evil when we live in a nation of 300 million-plus. Our consumer-based culture where resources are finite is another reason we need more government. It amazes me more how folks think social security should be privatized.

Hello! Has anyone ever heard of a company called Enron? They cheated several elderly people out of their retirement earnings. Let's see if you all share this same sentiment when you're old enough to retire - that is if they don't raise the age to 80. If I wanted to gamble with my retirement, I'd visit a casino. Yes, I trust the government far more than I do big businesses. This is coming from a U.S. Coast Guard veteran who served during 9/11, the Iraq War, and Hurricane Katrina.

Once, I answered a question some woman posted regarding sexual harassment in the workplace. She took it up with the human resources, and they did nothing. The woman can't afford a good lawyer, and jobs are hard to come by in this economy. That made me spawn up a new idea. I think they should put more teeth into the Better Business Bureau and hire undercover agents like they do with the FBI to work of these places. Then they can hammer companies that do this stuff. If you bury one whose board of directors thinks they can get away with it, those of several others will have trouble sleeping at night.
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:40 PM
 
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Yes, I trust the government far more than I do big businesses. This is coming from a U.S. Coast Guard veteran who served during 9/11, the Iraq War, and Hurricane Katrina.
It's obvious that you are a very violent person and should probably be locked up in a mental hospital. How did it feel, taking guns away from old people leaving the defenseless?

Pathetic
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