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Old 12-02-2010, 11:23 AM
 
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Wrong and wrong.

It has always been now. So it would take an infinite amount of time to get to the beginning of time... since there is no such thing in the first place.
who is changing the rules now?

You now deny the existence of time?

 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:23 AM
 
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Adam was formed from dirt, eve from his rib.

The dirt was formed from nothing.
If humans were created from dirt, why is there still dirt? Fair question since creationists seem to love asking "If we evolved from apes, why do apes still exist?"
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Getting back to the OP.
Shouldn't it be reasonable that the christian beliefs should be respected as much as christians respect other beliefs?
No, it doesn't.

The belief that the earth is round deserves more respect than the belief that the earth is flat since there is evidence that one of those beliefs is more correct than the other
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:24 AM
 
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Atheism IS a religion. It takes just as much, if not more, FAITH to say there is no God as it does to say there is a God.

At least agnostics are honest and say "I don't know," but Atheism is as much of a religion as any. Time for atheists to get off their intellectual high horse.
Atheism is not a religion and faith has nothing to do with it.

Faith: Faith is the confident belief or trust in a person, idea, or thing that is not based on proof.

ALL religions are based on FAITH

Is there some reason, you want Atheism to be a religion?
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:24 AM
 
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Getting back to the OP.
Shouldn't it be reasonable that the christian beliefs should be respected as much as christians respect other beliefs?
It's the marketplace of ideas!

Let the market decide.
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:25 AM
 
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If humans were created from dirt, why is there still dirt? Fair question since creationists seem to love asking "If we evolved from apes, why do apes still exist?"
Because it didn't take all the dirt to make Adam?


As for the other question about evolution....I think the point could be made that if evolution provided humans with a distinct advantage enabling them to thrive...why didn't the apes die off? Or at least their ancestor that we all supposedly evolved from?
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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So now you're changing the argument....you now suggest that PART of the universe passed through a singularity.
Where do you see a change? We've talked about this many times before. Remember wringing your hands about the multiverse? Why do you even bother to ask questions when you never, ever, ever seem capable of remembering the answers?

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Nope...doesn't work....the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics still tells us that it would have dissipated by now. If it was eternal, it would have dissipated a looooooooooooooooooong time before that singularity.
All of that is bald assertion with no actual evidence in its support. You really do not understand the first thing about either thermodynamics or singularities, do you?

The 2nd Law tells us only that it has been a finite period of time since the Big Bang. Entropy resets every time a singularity is passed.
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:26 AM
 
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why didn't the apes die off? Or at least their ancestor that we all supposedly evolved from?
If you had even just an elementary school level knowledge about evolution, then you wouldn't have to ask that question.
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:26 AM
 
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Because it didn't take all the dirt to make Adam?


As for the other question about evolution....I think the point could be made that if evolution provided humans with a distinct advantage enabling them to thrive...why didn't the apes die off? Or at least their ancestor that we all supposedly evolved from?
And here we have it folks.

Calvinist, that you would even say this proves that you do not understand even the basics of how evolution works.

You should be embarrassed.
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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If it existed for an eternal amount of time prior to the singularity it would have dissipated and cooled....so that doesn't work.
It works perfectly. All it requires is new singularities to be produced before heat death sets in. Look around our current instance of universe. Singularities are all over the place... measured in the billions.

We call them black holes.
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