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Originally Posted by stillkit
Someone who is legally and lawfully delegated the authority to make that decision.
And just who does this 'delegating'?
By all the so called justification I'm seeing here, by the logic shown Saddam Hussein would've been perfectly within his rights to send a hit squad after GWB once he'd announced his intention to take Saddam down, eh?
You seem to be under the false impression that all justified homicides must be pre-approved by a judge and jury. Nothing could be further from the truth or even American juris prudence.
Your own personal odd-ball legal theory.
Of course you'll try and muddle this in with battlefield killings which this not. You'll try and throw in killing in self defense by police which this is not.
This is putting an American citizen on a list to be killed while sleeping, while talking on the cell phone, while shopping for groceries.
Without judicial oversight. No Judges involved. No Legislative oversight.
Not one legal expert thinks this is legal. Only some hacks that work for the President who claims this radical power.
By all the so called justification I'm seeing here, by the logic shown Saddam Hussein would've been perfectly within his rights to send a hit squad after GWB once he'd announced his intention to take Saddam down, eh?
In this country, it would be done by Congress. In Israel, I suppose by the Knesset.
I'm not suggesting that such a delegation has, or has not, been done, but that's how it would work. I'm not totally up to speed on the functioning of the government of Israel, but in the United States Congress certainly would have the power and authority to do so AND to keep it a secret if they wished. As representatives of The People, the power of Congress is only restrained by the Constitution and the will of that People.
The President might have such authority as Commander in Chief, but that would be a legal question we've fought over for 200 years without a successful conclusion. I'm not a Constitutional lawyer by any means, but I suspect the Courts would find that he does not have that power UNLESS it was delegated to him by Congress.
What so many people fail to grasp is that ALL POWER in this country is derived by the consent of The People. The Constitution does not grant powers to anyone; it only limits what the federal government can do. Over time, of course, those powers have grown at the expense of the states, but only because The People allowed it, either directly or indirectly by inaction. In either case, the ultimate power still resides with us.
I said that to make this point: When I talk about a legal and lawful delegation of the authority to make such a decision, don't get hung up on the idea of "laws." We're not talking about within the established body of law which already exists (maybe), but about the concept that Congress, with the consent of the governed (that consent is rendered in each election) makes law within the Constitutional framework and if Congress passes a law authorizing such actions and delegating the authority to carry it out to some person or agency, it is ENTIRELY LEGAL AND LAWFUL!
Oh ok so you would be ok with Iran giving Israeli nuclear weapons staff ample warning to cease and desist before they murder them in cold blood on the streets of Haifa?
[It's always the same with these chickenhawks. They don't have the intellect to put themselves in other people's shoes or apply simple principles and laws in a fair manner
One set of rules for "their tribe" anything goes when dealing with the "other people"]
If Israel has nuclear weapons (and they have never said they do) then they have proven that they can exist peacefully with them without using them – even when they get attacked by their surrounding enemies. The same can not be said for Iran. Surely you can’t believe that Iran would hesitate to use nukes against Israel? The leader of Iran believes he can bring about the return of the hidden imam and usher in an age of Islamic peace by destroying Israel. Mohammad said that the Day of Judgment wouldn’t come until the Jews were destroyed. “Narrated by Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’.” -- Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177
If Israel has nuclear weapons (and they have never said they do) then they have proven that they can exist peacefully with them without using them – even when they get attacked by their surrounding enemies. The same can not be said for Iran. Surely you can’t believe that Iran would hesitate to use nukes against Israel? The leader of Iran believes he can bring about the return of the hidden imam and usher in an age of Islamic peace by destroying Israel. Mohammad said that the Day of Judgment wouldn’t come until the Jews were destroyed. “Narrated by Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’.” -- Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177
Boy you can't even bring yourself to acknowledge Israel has nuclear weapons without throwing in the pointless fact that they've "never said they do"....lol
Wow that's really something that Israel doesn't admit to having nuclear weapons!....I'm sure that means something to you...LOL
You're crazy with the neocon kool-aid...thanks for the discussion.
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Originally Posted by rogerbacon
If Israel has nuclear weapons (and they have never said they do) then they have proven that they can exist peacefully with them without using them – even when they get attacked by their surrounding enemies. The same can not be said for Iran. Surely you can’t believe that Iran would hesitate to use nukes against Israel? The leader of Iran believes he can bring about the return of the hidden imam and usher in an age of Islamic peace by destroying Israel. Mohammad said that the Day of Judgment wouldn’t come until the Jews were destroyed. “Narrated by Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, ‘The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’.” -- Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177
Khruschev said he would bury us, should we have nuked him over cheesy rhetoric?
95% likelihood this is Israel's doing. It's one of the most bigoted, brutal governments in the World.
I think your logic is faulty. First of all this is not an act of terrorism. It is an assassination.
Second, on what basis have you decided that it is Israel's doing?
Third, Israel tries not to harm innocent civilians when planning any attacks. It will even give some kind of notice to innocent bystanders to get out of the way before an attack. That is something that terrorists do not do.
1) This was said many years ago.
2) The person who said it denies he said it.
3) The person who said it is not even the supreme leader of the country.
4) Even if he said it, Iran has said many times since then they wish to live in peace.
5) Even if he said it. It has no bearing whatsoever if they have the true intentions or means to attack Israel ( which they obviously don't)
6) Persian doesn't even have that saying..They claim what they said was much less threatening.
Israel is making plans to attack Iran now. Israel is likely committing murder by International law in Iran now. Israel is continuing to threaten attacks on Iran now.
So are you claiming that the fact that Iran keeps threatening Israel's destruction is not going to be committing murder by International Law? Israel is not threatening Iran, but trying to make sure that Iran doesn't destroy Israel by using self-defense techniques.
And the OP immediately knows it was Israel....hmmm.
Based on their interest, their predisposition towards this type of act/ assassination, and the technique involved you best guesses are Israel or the US... This was too sophisticated to think an Arab group would do it and what is their interest in that?
who benefits... Israel and the US... who would have such devices at their disposal.. the US and Israel, who will assassinate targets as needed... could it be the US and Israel? I don't even think the Church lady would go for Satan on this one...
I'd say the OP is on the right track. guess 2... the US
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