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The vast majority of doctors believe that a "fertilized egg" is a child and will have nothing to do with the child's murder. What it all really boils down to is an avenue of escape from personal responsibility and scads of money to be made in the baby killing market.
It would be great to see a poll of the lifestyles and beliefs of those that really push for abortion.
WHAT "vast majority" of doctors believe a fertilized egg is a "child". I'd like to see that study.
it's not what specialists,scientists or doctors believe,but what you believe.Studies and statements from doctors and scientists change and vary.They themselves can be biased,and proven wrong.
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So I must diagree, I don't believe Pro-Choice is a bad choice for Democrats.
I'd agree. Many of those who are personally opposed to abortion do recognize that they came to the position through a process of rational analysis, and that, of course, is the essence of choice. While keeping their fingers crossed that they will never (or never again) need to address the matter at a level beyond the theoretical, these folks are likely to be willing to extend an opportunity for similar rational analysis to others, and that is much more closely in line with the traditional Democratic position than with the traditional Republican position. But it's not truly a galvanizing issue for most in this cohort. Thus, while agreeing on this one issue, the agreement may be undone in the voting booth by competing and unrelated issues. Those, on the other hand, whose positions are not derived, but instead taken up as revealed by God or his proclaimed messengers tend to be more rigid in their positions, not just less tolerant, but intolerant toward rational analysis of the issue, far more galvanized in their intentions, and far more likely to dismiss the influences of any competing and unrelated issues. In the political sense, then, it comes down to whether it is better to win a consistent 98% of the vote of a smaller group, or a variable majority of the vote of a larger group. The answer to that depends, it would seem to me, on the number and directional influence of competing issues...
Common sense is not the sole perogative of God fearing people nor visa versa. However, a little common sense, say a smidgen, would tell reasonable, moral, ethical,socially evolved human beings that abortion should be avoided and measures should be taken to influence avoiding abortion as opposed to influencing the willy nilly concept marched upon society that abortion is not only legal but healthy, normal, and wise. I wish more people that thought that way had parents that thought that way. Evolution would have then prevailed and we would not be having this discussion.
For my part, it is not so much the concept of abortion that I am opposed to it is the attitude of the souless that propose,- like 1960's hold overs ,that never grew up and proclaim with rabid abandon "Abortion is a woman's right to choose and by god let's go find a 14 year old and drag her ass to the clinic".
To those folks I would say, in my estimation you actually do have a god. Your god is narcisism. A woman's right to choose is a woman's right to choose to sleep with a man she doesn't intend to marry. A man's right to choose is to choose a 20 year mortgage for his contribution.
One more time. Sperm & egg independent of one another cannot create life. Has been that way for thousands of years. The pseudo intellectuals of the left want proof that a fetus is life. I want proof that it isn't. I believe this arguement holds up very well with reasonable people. To those that aren't -society will just have to wait until the ape is bred out of those folks.
Common sense is not the sole perogative of God fearing people nor visa versa. However, a little common sense, say a smidgen, would tell reasonable, moral, ethical,socially evolved human beings that abortion should be avoided and measures should be taken to influence avoiding abortion as opposed to influencing the willy nilly concept marched upon society that abortion is not only legal but healthy, normal, and wise. I wish more people that thought that way had parents that thought that way. Evolution would have then prevailed and we would not be having this discussion.
For my part, it is not so much the concept of abortion that I am opposed to it is the attitude of the souless that propose,- like 1960's hold overs ,that never grew up and proclaim with rabid abandon "Abortion is a woman's right to choose and by god let's go find a 14 year old and drag her ass to the clinic".
To those folks I would say, in my estimation you actually do have a god. Your god is narcisism. A woman's right to choose is a woman's right to choose to sleep with a man she doesn't intend to marry. A man's right to choose is to choose a 20 year mortgage for his contribution.
One more time. Sperm & egg independent of one another cannot create life. Has been that way for thousands of years. The pseudo intellectuals of the left want proof that a fetus is life. I want proof that it isn't. I believe this arguement holds up very well with reasonable people. To those that aren't -society will just have to wait until the ape is bred out of those folks.
I'm just happy knowing you are wrong and knowing I am right. If it works for you - great. If fairy tale religion works for people and that is what gets them through the night and makes them feel good (and right) then who am I to judge?
La la la. We're never going to agree on this so why keep beating the dead horse. Do you really think you'll sway our views? Good luck to you and I hope it is never a "choice" you have to make and those related to you either. I've been there, done that, and made my decision. Unless you've walked the walk - don't talk the talk.
Not once, once, on any thread anywhere have I committed on any thread anywhere that I am a Christian, a Jew, definately not a Muslim. So...what are you talking about Madam. I have never based anything I have said here or on any other post on my belief in God. How naive of people that proclaim to be athiest to suggest that any one that is not an athiest places the merits of their judgement in a God, just because that athiest has expelled God from their belief system. That is what is wrong with you people. You are indeed hilarious. You have this tremendous self engrandizing concept of your own exaggerated intelligence, pure narcissic egoism that makes you believe you are superior to a fairy tale, mythological Christian, or Jew, Or Muslim, or whatever.
For once in your lives, throw down your Newsweek magazines and question your own eighth grade science teachers level of perspectives of the universe. You read a couple of books by contemporary, obscure, left wing self engrandizing gurus and you think you hold the secret to the universe. You're walking the walk all right, the walk of a leftist parrot. Try and think for yourself and you may find God,- or you may not ,but you will remove yourself from the center of the univese. "To know that you know what you know and to know that you do not know what you do not know is true knowledge". Confucious
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One more time. Sperm & egg independent of one another cannot create life. Has been that way for thousands of years. The pseudo intellectuals of the left want proof that a fetus is life. I want proof that it isn't. I believe this arguement holds up very well with reasonable people. To those that aren't -society will just have to wait until the ape is bred out of those folks.
No one ever argued a fertilized egg wasn't life, it was argued it isn't a human being, as currently considered by law. To change that you'd have to provide proof. not merely opinion or belief, that it is.
EDIT: If as you say you're not so much opposed to abortion can you explain what this is supposed to mean? :"For my part, it is not so much the concept of abortion that I am opposed to it is the attitude of the souless that propose,- like 1960's hold overs ,that never grew up and proclaim with rabid abandon "Abortion is a woman's right to choose and by god let's go find a 14 year old and drag her ass to the clinic".
Where does this idea of dragging a 14 year old to the clinice come from? Is there any basis in reality or??????????????
Burdell, in my opinion, in accordance with what you just stated, "no one ever argued a fertilized egg wasn't life" this in reality is all one needs to know and understand.
My keen sense of logic,(how do I put one of these smiley faces up?), tells me that if it has been granted the genetic pool necessary to become a fully functioning human being at birth then it is a human being.
No matter how you fox it up with fancy prose you can't wish away mother nature. The left has amazing compassion for the execution of a serial killer and no compassion for the unborn. It hasn't a thing to do with religious perspective, I find that contrast incomprehensible.
The Democrat view that abortion should be legal, safe and rare need not be changed. Banning abortion would only drive the industry of abortion to the secretive underground where most people of sanity and sound reason certainly don't want it.
First of all, you might want to use spell check once in a while when using those 5 dollar words and questioning MY "8th grade" education... I have never commented on any poster's education or lack thereof, but when you call me out - you get what you asked for.
Second, I don't presume to be superior to a fairy tale - I just don't need it to justify my actions or lack of action.
Third, I believe you are the one who posted terms like "souless" to describe those who disagree with you.
Fourth, I wonder where you are hanging out that you hear people say "let's drag that 14 year old girl to have an abortion" - yikes!
Fifth, I've never proclaimed to be an atheist. I'm agnostic.
Sixth, I walked the walk when I became one of those pregnant teenagers searching for the right answer. I walked into an abortion clinic fully prepared to have one and they convinced me I had other options. Here I sit - 19 years later married to the father of that fetus and she's finishing up her 2nd year in college. I know what it is like to live in that fear of making the right decision. I couldn't have an abortion, but I would never presume to know what another girl is going through and limit her ability to make the best decision for her. That is where my "talk" comes from. Experience.
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