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Old 07-11-2007, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Why Pro-Choice Is a Bad Choice for Democrats - New York Times

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Many of them, Catholic women in particular, are liberal, deep-in-their-heart Democrats who support social spending, who opposed the war from the start and who cross their arms over their chests reflexively when they say the word “Republican.” Some could fairly be described as desperate to find a way home. And if the party they’d prefer doesn’t send a car for them, with a really polite driver, it will have only itself to blame.

What would it take to win them back? Respect, for starters — and not only on the night of the candidate forum on faith. As it turns out, you cannot call people extremists and expect them to vote for you. But real respect would require an understanding that what supporters of abortion rights genuinely see as a hard-earned freedom, opponents genuinely see as a self-inflicted wound and — though I can feel some of you tensing as you read this — a human rights issue comparable to slavery.


Other than the fact that I am a man, not a woman, that describes me perfectly.
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Old 07-11-2007, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Ohio, but moving to El Paso, TX August/September
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So to get back voters, they should become a one issue party for voters who can't think beyond the one issue of abortion?
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Old 07-11-2007, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Grafton, Ohio
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Default Point to ponder ... are Pro-Lifer's being duped?

Think openly and quietly for a moment... as a pro-life believer and voter, you're more likely to stand behind the presidential candidate (or any other political figure) that "believes" in pro-life rather than pro-choice. I'm not saying this is an absolute, this is just the norm...

..... now, think back of all the political candidates that you supported and that did win the overall vote.....

...... of all those pro-life do gooders you backed, how many of them ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING TO CHANGE ABORTION LAWS?

The reason why I ask is very simple... every election, we all hear the **same** debate. Pro-life or pro-choice. We see a huge swing vote follow the republican candidates the minute they utter their belief in pro-life despite whether or not they actually, truly believe the words they, themselves, utter so publically. Once the election is won, the topic is forgotten and abandoned... until the next election.

It is common knowledge that the more liberal and/or democratic parties have more in common with religious beliefs - taking care of the poor, assisting those in need, providing valuable community assistance and service. Yet, so many folks still get hung up on this one and only topic... the one that ONLY comes out for election year. It is almost like the republican party knows how to work over a crowd to win an election .....

I respect Pro-Life believers and advocates. Truly, I do. It is our constitutional right to exercise our beliefs and vocally object to what we feel is morally incorrect. I am, however, Pro-choice simply because I believe every woman has a right to make her own decisions. Not every individual is religious, and by HER constitutional right, she has the right to lead a non-religious based lifestyle...... AND, she will meet her own maker in the end. It is not our jobs, per the Bible's teachings, to pass judgement onto any person for the moral decisions they make for their own life. Each of us will meet our maker in the end. Let each man and woman, as long as they are not doing society wrong, explain for themselves. Meanwhile, per the Bible's teachings, you have the right and obligation to help guide the community towards a more moral path. There is so much opportunity to help teach young adults good and bad moral decisions, which could help prevent them for making morally wrong decisions down the road (or, help them make smarter decisions earlier in life), and this opportunity just is not getting tapped to its potential.

Once your republican candidate is voted into office, the abortion issue will be forgotten. History has proved this several times over. In fact, the republican party DOES NOT WANT to do anything about it because it is the fall back swing vote...... as long as abortion is a hot debate, they will continue to take that vote. The minute the law is changed... that swing crowd will probably *GASP* vote Democratic.
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Old 07-11-2007, 07:34 AM
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I respect Pro-Life believers and advocates. Truly, I do. It is our constitutional right to exercise our beliefs and vocally object to what we feel is morally incorrect. I am, however, Pro-choice simply because I believe every woman has a right to make her own decisions. Not every individual is religious, and by HER constitutional right, she has the right to lead a non-religious based lifestyle...... AND, she will meet her own maker in the end. It is not our jobs, per the Bible's teachings, to pass judgement onto any person for the moral decisions they make for their own life. Each of us will meet our maker in the end. Let each man and woman, as long as they are not doing society wrong, explain for themselves. Meanwhile, per the Bible's teachings, you have the right and obligation to help guide the community towards a more moral path. There is so much opportunity to help teach young adults good and bad moral decisions, which could help prevent them for making morally wrong decisions down the road (or, help them make smarter decisions earlier in life), and this opportunity just is not getting tapped to its potential.

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Snipped to save room but your entire post is well reasoned and well stated.

I believe there are a fair number of people who may like some Republican ideas but can't go for the "You have no choice, I know best and my way is the only way" attitude. I've certainly seen enough of that for the last six years to last me a lifetime.
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Old 07-11-2007, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I fail to see where being "pro-choice" forces anyone to have an abortion. Pro-choice only allows abortions to be available in a medically safe manner. It frees the individual from the tyranny of a religion that they may not believe. Pro-choice allows a woman to make a choice and accept the responsibility for the consequences.

Maybe it creates a sense of “I had to have the child and so should you.” within the “Pro-Life” community and they vote Republican out of sheer envy and spite.
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:01 AM
 
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Healthcare is a pro-life issue and how many Republicans have said one thing about it?

Education is a pro-life issue and how many Republican candidates have said much about it, other than offering vouchers so that poor schools become even more poor...

Economic issues related to corporate responsibility are definitely life and death issues, but you won't hear Republicans tackle that - they give the usual "liberal socialist" bs under any circumstance. How dare anyone even question the moral pro-life capitalist system....

The death penalty is a pro-life issue, or pro-death issue as it is.

Consumer protections and the environment are pro-life issues.

Abortion is part of that, but merely being against abortion is hardly all that makes up a pro-life stance.

In fact it's but a small portion of pro-life issues.
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:21 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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I generally side for the pro life stance,though it is not a main issue that I look toward canidates or a party for.One thing that I do agree with,which is something Im actually happy about Bush for changing is that I don;t think government funds sjould be used toward abortion...specially funding overseas.This a deep divided topic and the for or against's vary in why they believe,but that fact is the real change can only be from citizens themselves and how they view life and value it.
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:29 AM
 
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I fail to see where being "pro-choice" forces anyone to have an abortion. Pro-choice only allows abortions to be available in a medically safe manner. It frees the individual from the tyranny of a religion that they may not believe. Pro-choice allows a woman to make a choice and accept the responsibility for the consequences.

Maybe it creates a sense of “I had to have the child and so should you.” within the “Pro-Life” community and they vote Republican out of sheer envy and spite.
Good grief the anger. . . "they vote Republican out of sheer envy and spite." What would be the reason for envy? And I can assure you that caring about the unborn has nothing to do with spite.

Did it ever occur to you that people are pro-life because they care about the unborn, a human life?
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:53 AM
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I defer to people of science, as long as there are men/women who have taken an oath to "do no harm" willing to perform the procedure and who believe that scientifically they are not taking a human life, I'll vote pro-choice. I have more faith in their judgement than the (mostly) gray haired men of Congress in making medical decisions. Moral/religious decisions should be left to the individual, not that same group of (mostly) gray haired men.
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Old 07-11-2007, 09:56 AM
 
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Interesting because there are very few men of science, doctors, who will perform abortions.
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