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Old 12-01-2010, 05:52 AM
 
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This is what small food producers already have to navigate before this orwellian bill gets signed into law. from one of the nations most respected organic farmers:

http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/repr...tin_Sept03.pdf

as usual they put up the "don't ask don't tell" as bait to people on both sides of the aisle, just before they vote on it! as usual we take it hook, line and sinker. for this, i'll hand the blame squarely to social conservatives. until you morons stop obsessing with what other people do with their genitals, our govt will continue their bait and switch, period!
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Old 12-01-2010, 06:59 AM
 
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Here you go:
Food Freedom | Decentralize, Grow Your Own, Buy Local.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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This is what small food producers already have to navigate before this orwellian bill gets signed into law. from one of the nations most respected organic farmers:

http://www.acresusa.com/toolbox/repr...tin_Sept03.pdf

as usual they put up the "don't ask don't tell" as bait to people on both sides of the aisle, just before they vote on it! as usual we take it hook, line and sinker. for this, i'll hand the blame squarely to social conservatives. until you morons stop obsessing with what other people do with their genitals, our govt will continue their bait and switch, period!
This is in direct response to voters outrage over disease outbreaks in peanuts, eggs, and lettuce.

I think there should be provisions in place for small farmers, but at what size do you cease to have less regulation, and are considered a commercial farmer?

IDK, over my paygrade. I agree with the previous poster, grow your own.
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:48 AM
 
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This is in direct response to voters outrage over disease outbreaks in peanuts, eggs, and lettuce.

I think there should be provisions in place for small farmers, but at what size do you cease to have less regulation, and are considered a commercial farmer?

IDK, over my paygrade. I agree with the previous poster, grow your own.

ah yes, there always has to be the fear element to justify swat team raids on raw milk dealers.
you talk about provisions for small farmers. they've put this provision in. they have mandated that producers with less than $500k in revenues be exempt. this does two things. firstly it leads people to the wrong conclusion. $500k sounds like a big number and most people imagine farmers doing that kind of volume to be huge. in reality, $500k is relatively small so many more small farmers will be affected bthan people think. the second thing it does is it discourages growth beyond a certain level. a small farmer who might have been planning expansion will now have to think long and hard about his plans to grow over the threshold. if you were a big company being threatened by local producers you could hardly have thought of a better way to restrict the competition.

imo, the solution would be to make these laws voluntary and give the consumers a choice. federally guaranteed products with all the labelling and those without it
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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ah yes, there always has to be the fear element to justify swat team raids on raw milk dealers.
you talk about provisions for small farmers. they've put this provision in. they have mandated that producers with less than $500k in revenues be exempt. this does two things. firstly it leads people to the wrong conclusion. $500k sounds like a big number and most people imagine farmers doing that kind of volume to be huge. in reality, $500k is relatively small so many more small farmers will be affected bthan people think. the second thing it does is it discourages growth beyond a certain level. a small farmer who might have been planning expansion will now have to think long and hard about his plans to grow over the threshold. if you were a big company being threatened by local producers you could hardly have thought of a better way to restrict the competition.

imo, the solution would be to make these laws voluntary and give the consumers a choice. federally guaranteed products with all the labelling and those without it
But then you'd still have the federally guaranteed products next to the non guaranteed stuff on the shelf, room for contamination.

Its a public health issue. Wide spread disease is something that could effect us all, and is an important federal responsibility, protecting the homeland.

I'm not going to sit here and say I know how much it costs to run a farm now, in truth I have no idea. Personally, I think we should just irradiate all of the food before it comes to market, kill every living bacteria and/or virus on it, and be done with it. But then environmentalists would throw a fit because its radiation, even though every study ever done shows that irradiating food has no effect on the food, except making it sterile.

I see your point about stopping growth beyond a certain point. But I don't know if the regulations they are putting in place are so drastic beyond current measures that its that much more of a burden on smaller farmers.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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ah yes, there always has to be the fear element to justify swat team raids on raw milk dealers.
you talk about provisions for small farmers. they've put this provision in. they have mandated that producers with less than $500k in revenues be exempt. this does two things. firstly it leads people to the wrong conclusion. $500k sounds like a big number and most people imagine farmers doing that kind of volume to be huge. in reality, $500k is relatively small so many more small farmers will be affected bthan people think. the second thing it does is it discourages growth beyond a certain level. a small farmer who might have been planning expansion will now have to think long and hard about his plans to grow over the threshold. if you were a big company being threatened by local producers you could hardly have thought of a better way to restrict the competition.

imo, the solution would be to make these laws voluntary and give the consumers a choice. federally guaranteed products with all the labelling and those without it
..and there you hit on the truth of it. These new changes to the health insurance laws benefit the big insurance companies, and will make it all but impossible for small insurance companies to compete. With this Food Act we see once again, that the little guy will get squeezed out too. Our car manufacturing regulations are so onerous that a small car manufacturer would have no chance to survive, or even make it to their first production year.

It really makes you wonder what is going on here. We hear the politicians wail and moan about big business, and yet all they do is make it so we end up squeezing out small businesses, and we end up with the "too big to fail" companies.

So why is this? Is it all about big, central government control of the private sector businesses, and if you eliminate smaller companies it becomes easier to control those few giant corporations, rather then dealing with thousands of smaller companies?

If you want a powerful federal government to control the private sector, it's much easier to control if you only need to bribe, coerce and intimidate a few large companies.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:40 AM
 
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If you start to even look like a threat to big agro/pharma/med you can expect masked stormtroopers to destroy you.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:44 AM
 
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Problem is that now, with the passage of this farce called the food "safety" act if you "grow your own", under the new law, you are automatically a "farm" if you so much as sell or trade any of your product. And, government agents, via the FDA, can enter your property without a warrant, search it, destroy your garden if they deem it a danger or non-compliant. This was devised to put small farmers, hobby farmers, and the otherwise self-sufficient over the ropes of government tyranny.

We are not a free country. Our ability to control our own health treatment and our food sources have been removed from us under OBAMA.

We are all Socialists now.

Those who support the government controlling all food in the US please point out to me where in the Constitution these powers ae enumerated. Don't give me that "general welfare" garbage.

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Old 12-01-2010, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Barrington, IL area
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Problem is that now, woitht the passage of this farce called the food "safety" act if you "grow your own", under the new law, you are automatically a "farm" and government agents, via the FDA, can enter your property without a warrant, search it, destroy your garden if they deem it a danger or non-compliant.
That is 100% false. You are only considered a "farm" if you are selling your produce for profit to the public. Anyone can have a backyard garden and grow food for themselves.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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That is 100% false. You are only considered a "farm" if you are selling your produce for profit to the public. Anyone can have a backyard garden and grow food for themselves.
If you have any part of your land as a farm, even if it is cash rented by a farmer, your backyard or kitchen garden is not exempted.
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