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Old 12-02-2010, 03:50 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Way to change your argument. Yes, the NEA is filled with artists who, not surprisingly want more money for museums and cultural events, hell, they're even liberal but your rather stupid claim was that they ran education when the reality is the NEA has nothing to do with running schools. You know that too and that's why you changed your argument.
You can't possibly be serious. You're trying to discuss education and you have NO IDEA who the National Education Association is? Really?
NEA - NEA Home

Guess we now know to disregard your uninformed opinions.

Like I said... they're VERY liberal and they ALWAYS endorse Dems.

 
Old 12-02-2010, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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NCLB is a a requirement of all schools in all states.
Lower the bar so that No Child is Left Behind.
Fed dollars hang on students passing.
Fed dollars hang on students showing up to school every day.

When your goal becomes "qualify for those Fed dollars" then what has to change so that you get those Fed dollars ?

No Child Left Behind Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 12-02-2010, 06:16 PM
 
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Oh please. You would have to break it down by district to really get a sense of anything significant. Local politics dominate the schools and the state has limited influence over the success/failure of any individual district aside from allocating funds and setting minimum standards.

This may be anecdotal but the districts in heavily republican areas of the Chicagoland area do quite well compared to comparable districts in heavily democratic areas. Just take a look at the top rated schools in each state and see if they lean right or left. It's my observation that the more heavily right leaning, the higher the scores. The more heavily left leaning, the lower the achievement. The only schools in left leaning districts that score very well are selective enrollment schools.
Absolutely incorrect, withholding CPS.

Very Democratic areas of Cook and Lake County have good schools. You are basing your claim off of DuPage county school districts, which are excellent.

Buffalo Grove, Highland Park, Deerfield, Northbrook, Glenview, Wheeling, Evanston, Wilmette, Glencoe, Vernon Hills, Mundelein.

But how about the GOP areas of Lake? How about the GOP areas of McHenry County?
 
Old 12-02-2010, 08:00 PM
 
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The schools are not liberal run and the National Endowment for the Arts has nothing to do with schools.
True, just because the NEA is a fave conservative whipping boy doesn't mean it's running the schools or forcing liberalism down anyone's throat.

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Now, take your standardized test scores and break them down by red and blue states so we can see who does best (hint places like New England and Minnisotta always are at the top with crap holes like Mississippi and Alabama are at the bottom) or admit you're talking out of your backside when you blame liberals.
True, and was the neo-Confederate curriculum put into Texas textbooks by the Texas State Board of Education the result of said Board of Education being "liberals"?

BTW, for those who mention California as a counter-example, California has some very good school districts (mostly in NorCal), some very awful school districts (mostly in SoCal) and many in between. CA statistics are skewed by some very huge districts that are awful beyond belief. If the state had a law prohibiting any school district from having over 100K kids before being split up than two horrendously awful SoCal school districts which skew the state's statistics as a whole would no longer exist and be broken up, which would benefit the kids living in those two districts and the cities in which those two school districts are in.
 
Old 12-02-2010, 08:05 PM
 
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True, just because the NEA is a fave conservative whipping boy doesn't mean it's running the schools or forcing liberalism down anyone's throat.
Another lib who has no idea who the NEA is?
 
Old 12-02-2010, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The NEA is a large labor union that protects it's teachers first and funds those political issues/people who will continue BAU.

The NEA is heavily skewed towards Dem/liberals (80% of donations go to the left) and is involved with LaRaza, Gay and Lesbian groups, Amnesty International and Acorn to name a few.
NEA is also a member of U.S. Global Leadership Coalition which brings the concept of globalism into the schools.The NEA is definitely influential in education through the teachers.
 
Old 12-02-2010, 09:28 PM
 
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Absolutely incorrect, withholding CPS.

Very Democratic areas of Cook and Lake County have good schools. You are basing your claim off of DuPage county school districts, which are excellent.

Buffalo Grove, Highland Park, Deerfield, Northbrook, Glenview, Wheeling, Evanston, Wilmette, Glencoe, Vernon Hills, Mundelein.

But how about the GOP areas of Lake? How about the GOP areas of McHenry County?
No, not incorrect one bit. I said heavily democratic areas, not towns you pick out of your behind. Not even all of those towns lean left either, and not all of them have high performing school districts to boot. Let's look at actual districts with high performing schools, shall we?

Kenilworth, heavily republican
Wilmette, heavily democratic
Winnetka, heavily republican
Glencoe, slightly democratic
Lincolnshire, heavily republican
Deerfield, split
Northfield, heavily republican
Naperville, republican
Clarendon Hills, heavily republican
Hinsdale, heavily republican

Chicago Public Schools, heavily democratic and abject FAILURE

And Evanston? LOL, please
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The proposal to eliminate the honors-only class comes at a time when the Evanston high school has repeatedly failed to meet federal academic standards, requiring a major school overhaul to increase student performance.

The school spends more than $20,000 per student, one of the highest per-pupil expenditures in the state. But while white students have consistently scored high enough on state tests to meet the standards, black and Latino students lag far behind, according to state data.
It's a lot easier to come up with high performing schools in heavily right leaning areas than high performing schools in heavily left leaning districts. If you can't see the pattern, that is your problem, not mine.
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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BTW, for those who mention California as a counter-example, California has some very good school districts (mostly in NorCal), some very awful school districts (mostly in SoCal) and many in between. CA statistics are skewed by some very huge districts that are awful beyond belief. If the state had a law prohibiting any school district from having over 100K kids before being split up than two horrendously awful SoCal school districts which skew the state's statistics as a whole would no longer exist and be broken up, which would benefit the kids living in those two districts and the cities in which those two school districts are in.
The big trouble California has is several very large school districts have more then 70% ESL students so it isn't very hard to figure out why they don't do well on English standardized tests. That just comes with being a huge immigrant magnet.
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:35 PM
 
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The big trouble California has is several very large school districts have more then 70% ESL students so it isn't very hard to figure out why they don't do well on English standardized tests. That just comes with being a huge immigrant magnet.
What's Washington D.C.'s excuse?
 
Old 12-02-2010, 11:39 PM
 
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The big trouble California has is several very large school districts have more then 70% ESL students so it isn't very hard to figure out why they don't do well on English standardized tests. That just comes with being a huge immigrant magnet.
There are specifically two districts in Southern California which are FAR larger than all the other districts in the state and both of those gigantic districts have massive numbers of ESL students. Both should be broken up.
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