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Old 07-28-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Those universities already have a tradition of academic excellence. I saw your reply to me earlier, but it was a couple days ago so I didn't reply.
There are many K-12 religious affiliated private schools that have a tradition of excellence, as well.

 
Old 07-28-2014, 12:09 PM
 
Location: New York City
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There are many K-12 religious affiliated private schools that have a tradition of excellence, as well.
Okay, I don't deny that. If we were to institute a voucher program, then schools should have to meet certain academic standards to qualify for vouchers.
 
Old 07-28-2014, 12:16 PM
 
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Okay, I don't deny that. If we were to institute a voucher program, then schools should have to meet certain academic standards to qualify for vouchers.
I think that's prudent. Louisiana is removing private schools from their voucher list if they fail to perform adequately. Makes total sense to me. We don't want kids escaping from their public schools that aren't adequately educating them only to have them go to a bad private one.
 
Old 07-28-2014, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Okay, I don't deny that. If we were to institute a voucher program, then schools should have to meet certain academic standards to qualify for vouchers.
There are several that I have read on that give the state tests.
The students actually do better on the public school state tests in these charter schools than the public schools themselves.

There's one in Texas where the passing rate is over 85% and no they are not all White middle class students.
This school gets them from the Title 1 public schools all around them.

How can a charter do better with the same kids that the public schools say are at risk as a reason for their failings ?

This school:
86% of all 8th grade students passed the 8th grade STAAR (Texas standardized tests)
Student/teacher ratio is 10:1

http://www.thebrazosschool.org/index.html
 
Old 07-28-2014, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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That's not a safe bet anymore. Schools are so pc now that they'll let any student take an honors or AP class, even those who aren't academically prepared for the rigor.

More schools opening Advanced Placement courses to all students - Los Angeles Times
Yup with predictable results, I came across this post this weekend.

http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/note...ls-test-taking
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The district even won an award from the College Board in 2011 for its progress between 2008 and 2010: increasing the number of students taking AP classes, improving minority students’ pass rates by 2 percentage points, and increasing the number of minority students passing AP tests by 718 students over the course of two years.

But in one crucial way, the district’s effort has fallen short. Despite all-around improvement, the district has seen a widening disparity in pass rates between minority and white students.

White students’ pass rates have risen by 21 percentage points, to 66 percent.

Latino students’ pass rates have increased by 7 percentage points, to 36 percent.

African-American students’ pass rates are stagnant at 14 percent, compared to 16 percent in 2000.

In spring 2012, a mere 2 percent of all African-American high school students and 6 percent of all Latinos passed an AP test, compared with 18 percent of all white students. At 17 mostly minority high schools, not a single student passed any AP test.
 
Old 07-28-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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Is any of that important? How about simply getting the black student body to 80 or 90% reading at a reasonable level. Then we can start worrying about AP.
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