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Old 12-02-2012, 10:28 AM
 
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How do you know I know nothing about music? Is music a black thing only? You do realize there was music before there was black slaves don't you?



How many HUNDREDS of TRILLIONS of dollars have been spent on welfare and food stamps? How many TRILLIONS of dollars have been spent on medical costs for unwed mothers? How many TRILLIONS of dollars are being spent incarcerating black people every year?
I'm guessing you would be happy to see Black people sent back to Africa.

 
Old 12-02-2012, 10:38 AM
 
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The difference wouldn't be in Africa, but in America - our crime rate, especially murder rate, would be in line with Europe's, not ballooned like it is now. Welfare rates dramatically lessor, and a whole host of eveils, virtually non-existant.
Considering the way black people were treated in this country, it is amazing that there is a black middle class and even very successful bp at all. They are not the first group to have a high poverty rate mistaken for a natural tendency toward crime. Unfortunately, these other groups have all beem granted various degrees of assimilation.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 10:52 AM
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This brings me to ask this question. How would Carpetbaggers force Whites off of their land(if not by the gun)?
That would have been the easy part. Raise taxes, interest rates, raise the price of the means of production. speculate on land prices to make them higher. They probably call them lobbyist today but they could have easily bribed local and state politicians to pass a myriad of laws to get the results they wanted.

It might have caused a mass exodus of landless whites out of the South. If that was the case I would expect the South today to be more like the Inner Mountain West, sparsely populated and mostly Government lands.
The land was mostly spent from generations cotton. Were it not for the genius of a black man the South would might not have learned how to rotate crops. Perhaps Africa would be benefiting from George Washington Carver's experiments.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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After the slaves were freed, and then after Reconstruction, Blacks were treated like second class citizens. They were the poorest of the poor, and were often taken the lowest jobs. There were an increasing number of poor, landless Whites. The price of cotton dropped, and this devastated alot of White farmers. If there were no Blacks to pick the crops, poor Whites would have done it, but even that would not have been enough. 90 percent of the America's Black population lived in the South, and in some parts, Blacks made up the majority of the population. If Blacks had left, this might have left a vacuum in the labor force. The South's economy was basically agrarian, and it depended on cheap labor. Who would do the cheap labor if Blacks were not there? Chances are, immigrant labor would have been brought in. Either from Europe or Latin America.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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The difference wouldn't be in Africa, but in America - our crime rate, especially murder rate, would be in line with Europe's, not ballooned like it is now. Welfare rates dramatically lessor, and a whole host of eveils, virtually non-existant.
You`re joking...I hope. There`s no shortage of blacks in Europe and poverty does indeed exist. Europeans don`t let gang members have guns to shoot each other and therefore they have a significantly lower prison population. You need to get out more Robin.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 11:10 AM
 
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That would have been the easy part. Raise taxes, interest rates, raise the price of the means of production. speculate on land prices to make them higher. They probably call them lobbyist today but they could have easily bribed local and state politicians to pass a myriad of laws to get the results they wanted.
That could have happened. I never thought of that. That being said, I would also think that there might have been some rebellion on the part of local farmers.

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It might have caused a mass exodus of landless whites out of the South. If that was the case I would expect the South today to be more like the Inner Mountain West, sparsely populated and mostly Government lands.
The land was mostly spent from generations cotton. Were it not for the genius of a black man the South would might not have learned how to rotate crops. Perhaps Africa would be benefiting from George Washington Carver's experiments.
The soil in the South did suffer from a cash crop economy. And if Black people were all forced back to Africa, George Washington Carver would not have been in the USA to help southern farmers learn how to rotate crops, not to mention a myriad of other innovations. He found many uses for the peanut and the sweet potato, including library paste and dye. He revolutionized agriculture in the South. Without him, the South would have gone down even further than it did.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 11:24 AM
 
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You`re joking...I hope. There`s no shortage of blacks in Europe and poverty does indeed exist. Europeans don`t let gang members have guns to shoot each other and therefore they have a significantly lower prison population. You need to get out more Robin.
You make my point. Its the lack of guns, not the nature of the potential, would-be shooters. Thanks for the assist.
 
Old 12-02-2012, 11:26 AM
 
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You`re joking...I hope. There`s no shortage of blacks in Europe and poverty does indeed exist. Europeans don`t let gang members have guns to shoot each other and therefore they have a significantly lower prison population. You need to get out more Robin.
Even further, the difference is between Western Europe and parts of Eastern Europe. Paris might have some dangerous neighborhoods. However, Moscow, in Russia is much more violent, despite not having a large Black population. In Russia, there are stricter guns laws than in the USA, and yet, Russia has 4 times the murder rate than the USA, and a much higher murder rate than France or the UK. Criminals will find ways to get weapons. Kicking Blacks out of the USA would not really lower the crime rates. In fact, historically, White homicide rates have been the highest in the South.

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Old 12-02-2012, 11:27 AM
 
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Considering the way black people were treated in this country, it is amazing that there is a black middle class and even very successful bp at all. They are not the first group to have a high poverty rate mistaken for a natural tendency toward crime. Unfortunately, these other groups have all beem granted various degrees of assimilation.
fI suspect that in 1,000 years, when things are pretty much unchanged, certain groups will still be pointing to "slavery back on that planet Earthos and, of course, George W. Bush, that is to blame.

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Old 12-02-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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You make my point. Its the lack of guns, not the nature of the potential, would-be shooters. Thanks for the assist.
Not necessarily. Chicago has one of the strictest gun laws in the USA. However, people still find ways to obtain firearms illegally, and commit murder with them. Russia has stricter gun laws than the USA, and a much, much lower Black population than the USA. Guess what? Russia has a murder rate 3 to 4 times higher than that of the USA. How do you explain that?
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