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Old 12-06-2010, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Nowhere in the constitution does it say I can't dump arsenic and mercury into the local river from my gold mining operations! Go fishing somewhere else and drink bottled water.
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Does everyone remember what happened to the native population of what would become the US when the Europeans arrived? They died from all of the illnesses that were introduced into America. We really don't want to do a perfect job of protecting ourselves from bugs. They just get stronger and we will loose the ability to fight off the illnesses.
Just wash your dishes once a month. That'll build up your immunity to salmonella. whatever happened to personal responsibility?
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:19 PM
 
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Big banks are good. Big corporations are even better, Big oil makes my mouth drool, but big ag Is BAAAAAAAAAAD
It's hard to think about Big Oil, when the Government and Big Ag have you by your rutabagas.

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Old 12-06-2010, 12:25 PM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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Once again, these contradictory threads simply leave me totally confused.

Considering the fact that one of the problems with the recent out breaks of wide spread food contamination was that the FDA wasn't anywhere near our food, it gives me pause to understand how keeping them away from our food constitutes a problem since Big and Small Ag have been wildly successful already.

I guess the problem here is that people seem to assume that the FDA is here to help. I think the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Let me clarify as I think there is some confusion:

The legislation does not address what some experts suspect is the source of E. coli contamination: the large, confined animal feeding operations that are breeding grounds for E. coli and are regulated by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, not the FDA.


Since then, there have been dozens of contamination cases, leading Congress to rewrite food safety laws by giving much more power to the FDA. (SB 510)




“It does not take on the industrial animal industry and the abuses going on,” said Tom Willey of T&D Willey Farms in Madera, an organic grower of Mediterranean vegetables. “The really dangerous organisms we’re dealing with out here, and trying to protect our produce and other foodstuffs from, are coming out the rear end of domestic animals.”
No one in Congress or the administration has yielded in a bureaucratic turf battle between the Department of Agriculture, which regulates meat, poultry and eggs, and the FDA, which regulates all other food.
The controversy began with the spinach E. coli outbreak near San Juan Bautista in 2006 that left four people dead, 35 people with acute kidney failure and 103 hospitalized. The bacteria, known as E. coli O157:H7, first appeared in hamburger meat in the early 1980s and migrated to produce, mainly lettuce and other leafy greens that are cut, mixed and bagged for the convenience of shoppers.
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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Once again, these contradictory threads simply leave me totally confused.

Considering the fact that one of the problems with the recent out breaks of wide spread food contamination was that the FDA wasn't anywhere near our food, it gives me pause to understand how keeping them away from our food constitutes a problem since Big and Small Ag have been wildly successful already.
You're confused about a lot of things, and in spite of my efforts to help you, this condition persists because of your insistence on remaining in this make believe world where government corruption and wrong doing doesn't exist. This is the source of your confusion .... and it looks pretty hopeless at this stage, because NOWHERE is government corruption more obvious, nor the evidence more damning, than the decades of FDA complicity with transnational pharmaceutical companies, and their tag team assault (not protection) of the public health.

However confused, you certainly are consistent, and I don't believe it is an accident either. No one could be this wrong about so many things in absence of some element of self interests being at play.

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Old 12-06-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Just wash your dishes once a month. That'll build up your immunity to salmonella. whatever happened to personal responsibility?
Excellent!
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:32 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Big banks are good. Big corporations are even better, Big oil makes my mouth drool, but big ag Is BAAAAAAAAAAD
'Big ag' is not involved in this story.
But good try anyway
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:33 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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On a different note I'm totally confused by Bella's rather nonsensical claim that the Food and Drug Administration shouldn't be monitoring the food supply to insure it is safe for human consumption. That's the FDA's primary job.
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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'Big ag' is not involved in this story.
HAHAHA! You actually do believe that, don't you? Yeah, big ag isn't involved in our food distribution system. Tell me another one.
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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On a different note I'm totally confused by Bella's rather nonsensical claim that the Food and Drug Administration shouldn't be monitoring the food supply to insure it is safe for human consumption. That's the FDA's primary job.
You don't understand. After enough people die from food-bourne illness the MARKET will take care of the problem. People won't buy food from that company any more-- being afraid for their lives and all. The company will go out of business and people will now buy from the safe unregulated food sources.

No government interferein' or regulation needed!
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