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Old 12-11-2010, 06:00 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What's illegal about using off shore labor ??????

This would not be offshore. It would those crossing our southern border, for the last 25 years.
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Old 12-11-2010, 06:10 AM
 
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Logistics.
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Old 12-11-2010, 07:54 PM
 
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Companies outsource for numerous reasons.

1. They only want to pay their workers 50 cents an hour. Even minimum wage isn't low enough in this country to get companies to stay.

2. They don't want to give workers any breaks or benefits of any sort. Workers in China work like 12 hour shifts with no break whatsoever.

3. Companies want to use carcinogens and make the air as dirty as they want. Have you seen the air in China?

4. Then, there might be some companies that leave due to the high tax rate. Lower, the tax rate and at least the more ethical corporations would stay.

5. Companies don't want to mess with unions and regulations. We could easily fix this, if we elected the right people.

6. Americans want cheap crap and will do anything to get cheap crap.

Yet, when it comes to helping our fellow Americans who lost their jobs to outsourcing, we don't want to help them. I find it odd that so many that defend outsourcing see all unemployed people as lazy bums. Uh, taking that $7.25 an hour job at McDonalds doesn't feed a family of four and when you lost your manufacturing job forever, the savings just won't last. Then, these very same hardworking folks are forced to apply for welfare and are looked down upon. I have seen this happen time and time again in my community.

There aren't enough nursing, physical therapy, vet tech, lab tech, teaching, or hairdresser jobs for everyone who lost a job to outsourcing.
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Old 12-11-2010, 08:20 PM
 
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Wealth distribution has been going on for the past 50 years. That is the problem. The working class are fed up with being robbed for the benefit of the rich.
Funny, my DH and I are the working class. When we get together with our other working class friends, we are fed up by all the people getting a free ride and the bleeding hearts demanding more.
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Old 12-11-2010, 08:47 PM
 
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6. Americans want cheap crap and will do anything to get cheap crap.

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Wrong, Americans are pretty though customers.
In Europe for instance, you can't bring back to the store what you just bought. Sales are final.
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Old 12-11-2010, 08:51 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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There has always been cheaper labor in other parts of the world.

Why in the last 10 years have we as a nation, seen jobs flee to other nations and other nations workers doing work here, illegally undercutting the American worker, for the last 25 years?
9.8% unemployment in the USA.

9% are illegally in the USA.

That's where the jobs went.
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:55 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Companies outsource for numerous reasons.

1. They only want to pay their workers 50 cents an hour. Even minimum wage isn't low enough in this country to get companies to stay.

2. They don't want to give workers any breaks or benefits of any sort. Workers in China work like 12 hour shifts with no break whatsoever.

3. Companies want to use carcinogens and make the air as dirty as they want. Have you seen the air in China?

4. Then, there might be some companies that leave due to the high tax rate. Lower, the tax rate and at least the more ethical corporations would stay.

5. Companies don't want to mess with unions and regulations. We could easily fix this, if we elected the right people.

6. Americans want cheap crap and will do anything to get cheap crap.

Yet, when it comes to helping our fellow Americans who lost their jobs to outsourcing, we don't want to help them. I find it odd that so many that defend outsourcing see all unemployed people as lazy bums. Uh, taking that $7.25 an hour job at McDonalds doesn't feed a family of four and when you lost your manufacturing job forever, the savings just won't last. Then, these very same hardworking folks are forced to apply for welfare and are looked down upon. I have seen this happen time and time again in my community.

There aren't enough nursing, physical therapy, vet tech, lab tech, teaching, or hairdresser jobs for everyone who lost a job to outsourcing.


But it has always been like that, since America has been the 48.

Why in the last 10 years has all our manufacturing gone... poof!

What was the trigger.
Nothing has changed with corporations. Only what our government allows them to do. Who is pushing for this, New One World Order? It isn't the Conservative thinker!
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Old 12-12-2010, 02:02 AM
 
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Another factor is the Internet, it's made it possible to send information and communicate with any one in the world instantly. In the past paperwork or even computer disks, had to be sent via snail mail.
That might actually be one valid reason posted. In todays technology society a factory in China can be connected to retail stores in America and know in real time whats needed rather than needing to have to wait until inventory counts etc. Cheaper shipping costs might also be another one, it used to be inefficient to ship a few items from the factory to individual locations, now its the standard operating method for most retail stores.
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Old 12-12-2010, 02:22 AM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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There has always been cheaper labor in other parts of the world.

Why in the last 10 years have we as a nation, seen jobs flee to other nations and other nations workers doing work here, illegally undercutting the American worker, for the last 25 years?
Jobs in industry have been exported abroad since the 1960's, if not earlier. The main reason: cheaper labor. The development of sufficient infrastructure and civil stability in the recipient countries laid the ground for this. Without either, manufacturing and other industrial jobs would probably have remained in the U.S. Some of the countries the U.S. initially exported their labor to (e.g. Taiwan, Mexico, etc.) have developed into first-world or rapidly industrializing countries, and in turn have seen wage increases and secondary offshoring to poorer countries.

White-collar jobs and other information/communications-dependent labor have been leaving the country for countries where it can be done much more cheaply (e.g. India) during the last ten years primarily because of the tremendous advances in technology, above all broadband access. People do not realize that twenty (or even fifteen) years ago, there was limited phone and data infrastructure in the countries the U.S. now exports its information-sector jobs to; and even if there was, not enough international capacity existed then for (say) call centers or radiology services. Starting perhaps with the internet bubble (during which much fiber was laid around the world), capacity has increased exponentially and computers are much cheaper, permitting virtually seamless global connectivity. As a consequence, corporate executives and shareholders are finding offshoring the natural choice in many cases, and profit has always been the name of the game, hasn't it? It does not stem from a contempt for the American worker; those concerned with profit do not care where the worker is from, only if they will generate the most profit. In other words, those invested in the corporation are pragmatic, not nationalistic.
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Old 12-12-2010, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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There has always been cheaper labor in other parts of the world.

Why in the last 10 years have we as a nation, seen jobs flee to other nations and other nations workers doing work here, illegally undercutting the American worker, for the last 25 years?


Following WW2, the rest of the rest the world was more or less in smoking ruins. With the need for armaments diminished, we converted unscathed US factories to produce consumer goods and enjoyed a trade surplus with the rest of the world until 1976. Since then, our trading partners have improved their products and services taking ever larger slices of the pie. Add to this the effect of automated and streamlined production within the US and you see where all those jobs went.
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