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Even with the damage done by Skippy so far, he's going to have to make it worse yet for another Bush to have a shot. He's done a good job of spinning it so far to blame Bush.
Honestly? I think Ron Paul has a shot. This country is going to swing back hard to the right after the damage done by Skippy.
Economically Paul is very conservative, but on social issues he's moderate (and on certain issues more liberal than all but a few Dems).
Then again the old "Taft wing" of the GOP, which Paul would be at home in, practiced a very different kind of conservatism than what we see today. They were opposed to government power across the board including Prohibition and war.
Personally I'd like to see a Kucinich/Paul or a Paul/Kucinich ticket in order to smash the left/right paradigm and as orderly of a retreat from Empire as is possible.
It means annointing the first "black guy" that speaks proper english and went to the "right school" regardless of his questionable associations, background, and lack of experience.
Does it also mean making a president out of a guy just because his daddy was a president? Unless of course, you actually believe that Dubya would've become president if his last name was Jackson...and nobody is dumb enough to believe that! The Bush II presidency was affirmative action at it's finest. And you see the results.
Does it also mean making a president out of a guy just because his daddy was a president? Unless of course, you actually believe that Dubya would've become president if his last name was Jackson...and nobody is dumb enough to believe that!
Maybe in the 19th century someone with the last name of Jackson could've become president based on their last name (although if they had speaking skills like Bush they couldn't have lasted long in 19th century US politics)
But certainly not today. And Bush if not for his name would've never held any office higher than the Midland, Texas City Council.
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The Bush II presidency was affirmative action at it's finest. And you see the results.
Agreed. The Bush family is a textbook example of the negative effects of the worst kind of affirmative action.
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Reason: didn't want anyone to get the wrong idea, wanted to be more clear.
Ron Paul can't win the nomination. McCain was the sorriest excuse for a candidate whom the Republicans have ever run. Mitt Romney abandoned his supporters in 2008. Jeb Bush is probably the only Republican who can beat Obama. Partisan Democrats like to imagine that Americans consider the Bush name to be the most ignominious in the world. But I suspect that there are many Americans who would happily trade an Obama for a Bush. The situation was more than a bit better two years ago.
Ron Paul can't win the nomination. McCain was the sorriest excuse for a candidate whom the Republicans have ever run. Mitt Romney abandoned his supporters in 2008. Jeb Bush is probably the only Republican who can beat Obama. Partisan Democrats like to imagine that Americans consider the Bush name to be the most ignominious in the world. But I suspect that there are many Americans who would happily trade an Obama for a Bush. The situation was more than a bit better two years ago.
Ever heard of Gary Johnson? I'd vote for him.
(Granted, to most Repubs on the boards, me saying I'd vote for a GOP candidate would probably be reason not to vote for said candidate....)
Maybe in the 19th century someone with the last name of Jackson could've become president based on their last name (although if they had speaking skills like Bush they couldn't have lasted long in 19th century US politics)
But certainly not today. And Bush if not for his name would've never held any office higher than the Midland, Texas City Council.
Agreed. The Bush family is a textbook example of the negative effects of affirmative action as much as any family in West Oakland, the Outer Mission, Hunter's Point, the Iron Triangle, East Palo Alto, Compton, etc.
West Oakland? East Palo Alto? Compton? Soooo...i fail to see the tie-in to Affirmative Action.
I'm not going to read this thread, I'm just going to say this: If Jeb Bush runs, America will be the laughingstock of the globe. Three strikes, you're out (didn't we invent that game?).
Ron Paul can't win the nomination. McCain was the sorriest excuse for a candidate whom the Republicans have ever run. Mitt Romney abandoned his supporters in 2008. Jeb Bush is probably the only Republican who can beat Obama. Partisan Democrats like to imagine that Americans consider the Bush name to be the most ignominious in the world. But I suspect that there are many Americans who would happily trade an Obama for a Bush. The situation was more than a bit better two years ago.
I happily do 4 more years of Dubya, if BO would go.
Seriously, we need a few more years without a Bush in the White House. Anyone bearing the last name Clinton ditto.
West Oakland? East Palo Alto? Compton? Soooo...i fail to see the tie-in to Affirmative Action.
People are fond of citing ills of ghetto families as being the result of AA.
IMO the Bush family is at least as much of a textbook example of bad effects of AA as any ghetto or barrio family - indeed more so, given that a family from EPA, the Acorn Projects, Richmond, etc. has no influence on US foreign policy or the management of the economy etc. (In fact, I'd be MORE likely to vote for a presidential candidate who came from the hood, because that would mean they had to overcome tremendous adversity.)
FWIW I believe in income based AA (which would continue to help people in West Oakland etc. as well as poor people of every race, religion, and gender), just not racially or gender based AA, and I don't believe in the type of AA that produced the Bush family or the House of Windsor etc. at all.
Since it seems the American people have already forgotten all the damage his big brother has done to the country, does Jeb have a chance if he ran? I think Obama beats anyone else in 2012 especially if it is Palin. Jeb on the other hand might be the only one that the GOP have to take Obama down.
I think Jeb is the best Bush around, but I don't think now would be the time for him to seek the Presidency.
Nita
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(although if they had speaking skills like Bush they couldn't have lasted long in 19th century US politics)
