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Old 12-11-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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Schools and education has gotten worst with the feds in it,so kick the fed out of school !!!! One of the worst departments ever created.
Ah... the "fed" has been involved in public schools since 1867 when the first Department of Education was established.
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Old 12-11-2010, 02:51 PM
 
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While we're at it, don't forget about the USDA meddling with school lunches.


The states can do this more effectively.
If that had been true, there never would have been a federal school lunch program...
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Old 12-11-2010, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Get rid of America's education system! Great idea!
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Old 12-11-2010, 03:08 PM
 
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As far as education is concerned I don't think that the national government needs to be making the standards for schools. They have done so up to now and look what the result has been. It is that damned left leaning NEA that has caused so much of the problem. Their standards are left oriented and I don't like that.
So, you would rather have fifty different educational standards for America? To me, that doesn't seem like a benefit.

Also, would you care as much if the NEA was leaning to the right?
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Old 12-11-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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So, you would rather have fifty different educational standards for America? To me, that doesn't seem like a benefit.

Also, would you care as much if the NEA was leaning to the right?
The nation got along for a very long time without the national government making all the rules. If it worked all that tiime, maybe it would now. I taught under the 50 state thing for over 25 years and my wife teaches under the present form now and it isn't working, period.

If the NEA leaned right I doubt that they would have suggested that all teachers read the book, Rules for Radicals, by Saul Alinsky and I imagine I would look at them differently than I do this present day group.
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Old 12-11-2010, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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I have never seen people as stupid as the new high school grads. They cant read a face clock , or add . The list goes on.
I would let homeschoolers keep some of their property tax . Also its a pension we don't have to pay later. Home school kids are clearly better educated .
well were screwed if kids can't tell time or add they can't even get into community college or a trade school because you can't build very much without decent math skills.

oh well glad I was Gen X atleast we could fail and we had decent shop classes

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Old 12-11-2010, 04:45 PM
 
Location: California
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I think there DOES have to be 50 state standards. Anything else sounds insane, especially in todays world where people move between states (and countries) as often as they change their socks.

However, I also think the DOE has absorbed things into the school system that it should purge itself of. Limit the scope to solid academics, to learning, to skills. Cut the cords with the text book publishers, forget about daycare or hot meals or health and social issues except for the most blatent. Forget the No Child thing, forget meeting the needs of every child regardless of the situation because trying to be all things to all people is not only impossible but is a guarenteed way to make sure NOTHING is done well. Look for alternatives for those who just can't learn at the basic level and try to deliver the best education to those who don't need alternative methods. Most bang for the buck and best for the country.
Only when that is being done properly should we even dare CONSIDER the school systems be responsible for anything else.
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Old 12-11-2010, 04:54 PM
 
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I think there DOES have to be 50 state standards. Anything else sounds insane, especially in todays world where people move between states (and countries) as often as they change their socks.

However, I also think the DOE has absorbed things into the school system that it should purge itself of. Limit the scope to solid academics, to learning, to skills. Cut the cords with the text book publishers, forget about daycare or hot meals or health and social issues except for the most blatent. Forget the No Child thing, forget meeting the needs of every child regardless of the situation because trying to be all things to all people is not only impossible but is a guarenteed way to make sure NOTHING is done well. Look for alternatives for those who just can't learn at the basic level and try to deliver the best education to those who don't need alternative methods. Most bang for the buck and best for the country.
Only when that is being done properly should we even dare CONSIDER the school systems be responsible for anything else.
Good points. Education should be geared toward teaching kids how to live and get along through the rest of their lives. Stop preparing kids to get to college, prepare kids for real life first.
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Old 12-11-2010, 04:58 PM
 
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Nothing like hearing a fresh new conservative proposal that NONE of us have ever heard before!!
Getting quite a few posts in agreement though, isn't it?
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Old 12-11-2010, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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no child left behind is a joke it means people that did not learn any of the material still move on to the next grade as to not hurt their feelings.
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