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Old 12-13-2010, 07:25 PM
 
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Why not pay off the national debt?
So they can spend the money on stupid crap?
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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I see the republicans making two contradictory arguments:
1. Taxes won't make you rich, the taxes go to the government. Why do you want the money to go to the government? They will just spend it away.
2. Why do you think you deserve the money? Work hard for it first.
Make up your mind, do the taxes go to the government or to the poor?
And do you realize, it is a frightening reality that we have to "feed" the rich in order for this country to survive. As some of you pointed out, if the rich are taxed more, they may just cut costs at the expense of the poor. It is this very system that I am uncomfortable with, one not unlike the aristocracy in the middle ages (it may even be argued to be more disproportionate than them, actually), nor unlike the billionaire sheikhs standing out in the Arab world.
And don't tell the people complaining to go get a job instead of posting here, I'm sure everybody has time to write a few lines in an online forum, or is it so bad for the poor that they have to work 16 hours a day without a single break? That would also contradict your argument, showing that the poor SHOULD be working hard non-stop. If the harder you work, the richer you get, then how is it that billionaires have the time to go on expensive holiday cruises? Shouldn't the richest person in the world be one who breaks the world record for longest hours of work per day then?
Just to be clear, if you tax a billionaire half of his money (50%), he still has 500 million dollars left. If one were to spend $50,000 per year, that money is enough to support 500 people for a hundred years. The rate of increase in income as we go higher up the rich-ladder, as one poster pointed out, is exponential, not linear. A linear function of a constant 15% tax for everybody (or however much) will still leave it as exponential as it ever was. (i.e. poor guy makes x, rich guy makes 1 million x, tax both at 15%, rich guy still makes 1 million times poor guy) Only a variable tax-rate could hope to balance out the skewness in any manner. And yes, ladies and gentlemen, there IS a very unsightly skewedness in the distribution of wealth, whether it be gained by inheritance, laws supporting the rich, unscrupulous business, hiring lawyers to stifle competition, or just doing nothing and letting your money grow in the stock market. I refuse to believe that any rich person should earn in a year a hundred or a thousand times more than what a hard-working "commoner" earns in their entire lifetime. (For those of you who like analogies: a hacked facebook video-game highscore of 100 million billion points where the most you can get by playing fair is 1000)
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:31 PM
 
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I'm just curious why a lot of people on this forum protect the rich and argues against raising taxes on them. I doubt that anyone who makes more than 250K would post on the this forum. I doubt that even fewer are people making over 1M.

I can understand rich Republicans who want to lower taxes for the rich. I don't understand the poor Republicans. What do they have to gain from lowering taxes for the rich? If you lower taxes for the rich then you're in effect raising taxes for everyone else.
Because I believe in freedom, including the freedom to keep what you earn.
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:35 PM
 
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i dont necessarily see myself becoming rich one day, though that would be nice, however i do recognize the fact that i never got a job from a poor person, and a poor person never gave me a paycheck.
Don't kid yourself, you are capable of work whether rich people exist or not, it's just that you need their permission to work. You sound like: "Milord is so graceful, for he provides me food and clothes that get me past the harsh winter nights. Your humble servant is always at your service for this." Do you actually sense the problem in WHY a poor person cannot give you a paycheck? Why they cannot have you work for them and get you to earn money for them just as the rich so easily can?
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:00 PM
 
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I'm just curious why a lot of people on this forum protect the rich and argues against raising taxes on them. I doubt that anyone who makes more than 250K would post on the this forum. I doubt that even fewer are people making over 1M.
The mass of people use roads and services, they should be expected to share the responsibility of taxation.

I can understand rich Republicans who want to lower taxes for the rich. I don't understand the poor Republicans. What do they have to gain from lowering taxes for the rich? If you lower taxes for the rich then you're in effect raising taxes for everyone else.
What you are talking about is tyranny of a majority. Find a majority and vote a theft of other people's money for YOUR benefit. PATHETIC IMO, something to be VERY ashamed of.

Our wealthy were cut in half the last 6 years and pay tons of taxes and are already people taxed among the most in the world.
They don't have the money YOU NEED. Earn more yourself and learn to emulate success rather than trying to punish other's success.
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:02 PM
 
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Because Beck and Limbaugh told them to.

Limbaughmings

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This is it!
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:04 PM
 
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So they can spend the money on stupid crap?
America needs more stupid crap, like a CD: "The Greatest Hits Of Michael Jackson's Doctor".
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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What you are talking about is tyranny of a majority. Find a majority and vote a theft of other people's money for YOUR benefit. PATHETIC IMO, something to be VERY ashamed of.

Our wealthy were cut in half the last 6 years and pay tons of taxes and are already people taxed among the most in the world.
They don't have the money YOU NEED. Earn more yourself and learn to emulate success rather than trying to punish other's success.
If the wealthy have it going so bad for them, why don't they just donate all their money to charity and go live with the tyrannical poor majority?
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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Bringing other people down is not, I repeat is not, going to bring you up you tired played-out little fella...
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:37 PM
 
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This is a great thread. I think that a lot of people view themselves as one day becoming "rich," so anything they view as a hindrance to their path they blame on "big government" or "socialists" or fill-in any other Glenn Limbaugh term.
Or, letter Q, those people bring jobs like when they build, oh IDK, a $3.1 million home with cash. Guess how many people that employes?
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