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Old 01-13-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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That's a myth,I personally know people who went for murder 1 and were released in 5 years. If your loved one is killed, then personally my life is not worth living and I would have no problem killing the person who also destroyed my life.
Were those people sentenced to death? Those people you know who got out in five years. What state was that?

Death row inmates do NOT get out unless it is proven that they did not get a fair trial, and THEN they only get a new trial. They don't get turned loose. If, at a second trial (which is enormously difficult to get) they are found not guilty they would be freed.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:05 PM
 
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Maybe vengeance would be better served if done by a family member, but then you are no better than the murderer.
Disagree. The family member would not be harming an innocent victim. Big difference.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:07 PM
 
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Disagree. The family member would not be harming an innocent victim. Big difference.
Maybe not, but you would still be punished, and then what would your remaining family do without you?
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:08 PM
 
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Maybe not, but you would still be punished, and then what would your remaining family do without you?
Here we agree.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:09 PM
 
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I would think that attempting to forgive someone would be way too difficult. Even after forgiveness, it would be difficult because whenever you think of your murdered family member/friend, all that you can think about is the great memories that you shared with them and how they were killed: by that murderer.

I do firmly believe in the death penalty, though. If you take a life, why should you be entitled to your own life then?
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:12 PM
 
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I hear what you're saying, but in my mind that is splitting hairs.. "Solitary confinement" is short term.. Death row is until you die and the few little luxuries don't measure up.. It's still isolation. What I don't understand is your claim that somehow this is a human rights violation... In my mind, they gave up their human rights when they decided to take someone elses life.
No. They are still human, and human rights violations apply to them as well. And you're forgetting about the innocent people who do get convicted of murder.

Talk to a death row inmate and see how "special" those few little luxuries really are to them. How do you think the guards and prisons control people on death row? By taking away their "few little luxuries"......and being "sent to jail" as they say, requiring them to go to solitary confinement is something they try very hard to avoid. Control is the reason they are given any little "luxuries" at all, so the threat of losing those things is serious enough that they can be controlled. It's for guard safety.

"Human rights in the United States are legally protected by the Constitution of the United States, including the amendments,[2][3] state constitutions, conferred by treaty, and enacted legislatively through Congress, state legislatures, and plebiscites (state referenda)."

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Old 01-13-2013, 05:14 PM
 
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:15 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Were those people sentenced to death? Those people you know who got out in five years. What state was that?

Death row inmates do NOT get out unless it is proven that they did not get a fair trial, and THEN they only get a new trial. They don't get turned loose. If, at a second trial (which is enormously difficult to get) they are found not guilty they would be freed.
This was again in Detroit (Michigan). Michigan doesn't have a death penalty. To be fair some of them were sentenced as juveniles so such a short prison sentence isn't surprising. But I knew a guy who was in and out of the system, and went to prison 3 different times for murder 1. He was 50-something years old so none of his sentences could have been that long.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:17 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Maybe vengeance would be better served if done by a family member, but then you are no better than the murderer. Let the justice system do its job. If I am there and someone tries to hurt a family member or friend, I will do all I can to stop it including killing the criminal.
Judgement is for God. But the system would probably look the other way. Especially if you're in a place with an overworked police department. They don't spend much time on criminals with a long rap sheet.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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No. They are still human, and human rights violations apply to them as well. And you're forgetting about the innocent people who do get convicted of murder.

Talk to a death row inmate and see how "special" those few little luxuries really are to them. How do you think the guards and prisons control people on death row? By taking away their "few little luxuries"......and being "sent to jail" as they say, requiring them to go to solitary confinement is something they try very hard to avoid. Control is the reason they are given any little "luxuries" at all, so the threat of losing those things is serious enough that they can be controlled. It's for guard safety.

"Human rights in the United States are legally protected by the Constitution of the United States, including the amendments,[2][3] state constitutions, conferred by treaty, and enacted legislatively through Congress, state legislatures, and plebiscites (state referenda)."

Human rights in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That may well be, but when one commits capital murder, as far as I am concerned they have given up their human rights as well....
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