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Old 12-17-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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i find it hard to believe that de vattel was the "go-to guy" for the constitution.
The framers shopped at all kinds of stores - Common Law and Greek.

The Greek was reason.

The Common Law was experience.

They avoided the Church Store as an antithesis to the reason contained in the other two stores.

The framers had to draw the line somewhere, and they drew it with de Vattel's pen.
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Old 12-17-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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He only "believed" that for England - not America!
america ( USA ) didn't exist when de vattel published "law of nations".
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Old 12-17-2010, 11:11 AM
 
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The framers shopped at all kinds of stores -
but de vattel never used the phrase "natural born citizen" ( or the french translation of the phrase ). if the founding fathers had meant for it to be de vattel's definition don't you think they would have specifically used the direct english translation of his words ?
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Old 12-17-2010, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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He only "believed" that for England - not America!
Vattel died in 1767. America was England when he wrote.
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Old 12-17-2010, 11:18 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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I don't give a refudiated fart about Vattel or Arthur. Might as well dig up Scipio Africanus' definition of Roman citizenship. The only definitions that matters are in the US Constitution and court decisions on same. So far nothing defines 'natural born' as solely the offspring of 2 US citizens.
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Old 12-17-2010, 11:22 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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...The only definitions that matters are in the US Constitution and court decisions on same. So far nothing defines 'natural born' as solely the offspring of 2 US citizens.

Yep. That probably has something to do with why Pres. Obama hasn't been impeached/removed from office, yet.
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Old 12-17-2010, 01:08 PM
 
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Warning WB. I asked IC essentially that question before... more than 15 times in row. He never answered it. .
still curious about IC's answer........
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Old 12-17-2010, 01:37 PM
 
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america ( USA ) didn't exist when de vattel published "law of nations".
Quit making my point for me, son, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Old 12-17-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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but de vattel never used the phrase "natural born citizen" ( or the french translation of the phrase ). if the founding fathers had meant for it to be de vattel's definition don't you think they would have specifically used the direct english translation of his words ?
Natural Born Citizens sure t'wernt no anchor baby Brits!
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Old 12-17-2010, 01:40 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Obama was born an American. An American who could claim British citizenship if he so chose.
Incorrect. Obama was born an American AND a Brit. Read the British Nationality Act of 1948. That is what disqualifies his Constitutional eligibility for POTUS and CIC.

Obama, the DNC, Organizinf for America, and FactCheck all admit Obama's status is governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948.
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Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack (http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate - broken link)
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