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Old 12-12-2010, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Nebuchadnezzar
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When the Socialist mindset takes hold in a society and social entitlements become rationed it breeds first resentment and then violence in the form of riots in the street and property damage. We can clearly see this as the results of protest and riots in Greece, France, and more recently England.

When people feel entitled to sevices, education, medical care, food, and other goodies by the sweat not of their own labors, but from that of others whose wealth has been forcibly taken under the law and re-distributed to them they become possessive of those entitlements and consider them "rights" not to be removed or even adjusted to a lesser amount.

When rationing of those entitlements occurs they feel threatened as they are dependent upon others to do for them rather than having the ability and will to provide for themselves. Feeling threatened by their dependency they act out not like rational humans but like irrational animals.

Is rioting in the street, property damage, and threatening the lives of national figures really a proportionate response to tuition increase?

We've even seen this before in the US form those protesting World Trade and World banking summits.

Knowing this, why then do liberal Progressives, both in our federal government, as US citizens, and Socialist players on the world political and financial stages, want to see the United States go down this similar road?

What say you?
Yes, we should go back to the good ole days. I think we all feel fondly of the Rockefeller, Vanderbilts, and Morgans. A few rich people and the masses. When everyone happily worked 12 hour six day weeks. When there was no health insurance since the life expectancy was only 58 years. Ah yes, you can die quietly in poverty and not have to be a burden on others. I am sure there was no resentment.
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Old 12-12-2010, 10:48 PM
 
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Yes, we should go back to the good ole days. I think we all feel fondly of the Rockefeller, Vanderbilts, and Morgans. A few rich people and the masses. When everyone happily worked 12 hour six day weeks. When there was no health insurance since the life expectancy was only 58 years. Ah yes, you can die quietly in poverty and not have to be a burden on others. I am sure there was no resentment.
Life expectancy of only 58 years? Really? If you ever visited cemetaries and read headstones you'd see those who lived to adulthood 100 yrs. ago lived much longer than 58 years.

I think health insurance has had little to do with life expectancy but rather the advances in medicine.

Perhaps you could address the actual topic?
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Old 12-12-2010, 10:51 PM
 
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Europeans have the right idea!
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Does that mean you agree with rioting in the streets, property damage, and the threats upon the lives of state figures over college tuition rates or cuts in social entitlement handouts?
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Does that mean you agree with rioting in the streets, property damage, and the threats upon the lives of state figures over college tuition rates or cuts in social entitlement handouts?
Likely it does. And? Where would you be if your forebears didn't stand up to the British and fight the system? Where would Europe be if the French didn't nail their aristocracy and show rich people in general that there was a line beyond which it wasn't wise to push people? Give it up. This is a pointless thread. You would be rioting too if you knew that your government had just sentenced you to a lifetime of scrubbing toilets because the education that they know you would need to be more than a hospital porter was being deliberately priced out of reach. Just because Americans are content to move back in with Mom and Dad doesn't mean British young people should just xuck it up and go off-line.

H
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Old 12-13-2010, 02:11 AM
 
Location: Plattsburgh NY
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Life expectancy of only 58 years? Really? If you ever visited cemetaries and read headstones you'd see those who lived to adulthood 100 yrs. ago lived much longer than 58 years.

Perhaps you could address the actual topic?
Much longer than 58, hey?

100 Years Ago...

The average life expectancy in the United States was forty-seven.

The average wage in the U.S. was twenty-two cents an hour. The average U.S. worker made between $200 and $400 per year.

A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, a dentist $2500 per year, a veterinarian between $1500 and $4000 per year, and a mechanical engineer about $5000 per year.

Ninety percent of all U.S. physicians had no college education. Instead, they attended medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and by the government as "substandard".

t
he five leading causes of death in the U.S. were: 1. Pneumonia and influenza 2. Tuberculosis 3. Diarrhea 4. Heart disease 5. Stroke

Not too much has changed in favor of the AMERICAN WORKER. That's pretty much on topic.

Perhaps you could sometimes think before you speak?
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Old 12-13-2010, 02:51 AM
 
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Poor dear. Marriage isn't all that bad.
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Old 12-13-2010, 11:35 AM
 
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Entitlements......... AIG, BOA, General Motors, Chrysler, Boeing, Lockheed, John Deere, Food services of America, Exxon/Mobile, ADC welfare, and obviously a much longer list, but some insist upon singing the the same tired mantra of pretzel logic that disallows the ENTIRE realm of governments largesse to be discussed. That whole charade of cherry picking one's way through the quagmire of political observations makes the validity of such observations doubtful. Government money when handed over to ANY group be it those on public welfare or corporate welfare is fair game for scrutiny. The welfare state has been around for a long time, it is simply an economic reality that reveals the inadequate abilities of our ostensible theoretical capitalistic construct to provide a wide enough distribution of the collective wealth created from the accumulation of dollars taken from the high and low end of the tax schedules.

ALL of our government expenditures need to be looked at, not just those that we don't agree with. If we as private citizens can't see the wisdom in scrutinizing all our collective costs we'll be held hostage to these likes and dislikes as the sole determiner of whose claims on the collective wealth are valid; or not. The government is subservient to those who support it's cast of administrators, from the lowly government clerk to the esteemed member of Congress it's a game of personal interest alongside the interests of a nation. Those who we elect are working not for the general electorate but they do cater to the big donors who expect to have a say in the way bills are written, those who are solidly entrenched in the self serving government bureaucracy of the vast unelected populace have their own agendas of self interest that don't always jibe with the needs of the nation. I'd like to see the day when Americans are reading more and opening their eyes to the ENTIRE scheme that is our government. Party politics seems to be the order of the day for those who don't/can't understand the dynamic of the divide and conquer strategy of BOTH parties. While the low people argue the game at the top can go on undisturbed, unchallenged, throwing the ball back and forth between the two parties while serving their real masters.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:21 PM
 
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Likely it does. And? Where would you be if your forebears didn't stand up to the British and fight the system? Where would Europe be if the French didn't nail their aristocracy and show rich people in general that there was a line beyond which it wasn't wise to push people? Give it up. This is a pointless thread. You would be rioting too if you knew that your government had just sentenced you to a lifetime of scrubbing toilets because the education that they know you would need to be more than a hospital porter was being deliberately priced out of reach. Just because Americans are content to move back in with Mom and Dad doesn't mean British young people should just xuck it up and go off-line.

H
The people in this country that stood up and fought the British did so to get the government out of their lives and have equal opportunity. Today, they're upset because the government isn't doing enough - completely different situation.

The reason the cost of education went up is because the government provides so much for so many. At some point, it means that money comes out of everyone's pocket because it isn't sustainable otherwise. In that case, they either have to cut services to cut costs, or they have to hit more people for the additional revenue. Either way, the people that have been depending on the government get hit and are outraged.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:29 PM
 
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When the Socialist mindset takes hold in a society and social entitlements become rationed it breeds first resentment and then violence in the form of riots in the street and property damage. We can clearly see this as the results of protest and riots in Greece, France, and more recently England.

When people feel entitled to sevices, education, medical care, food, and other goodies by the sweat not of their own labors, but from that of others whose wealth has been forcibly taken under the law and re-distributed to them they become possessive of those entitlements and consider them "rights" not to be removed or even adjusted to a lesser amount.

When rationing of those entitlements occurs they feel threatened as they are dependent upon others to do for them rather than having the ability and will to provide for themselves. Feeling threatened by their dependency they act out not like rational humans but like irrational animals.

Is rioting in the street, property damage, and threatening the lives of national figures really a proportionate response to tuition increase?

We've even seen this before in the US form those protesting World Trade and World banking summits.

Knowing this, why then do liberal Progressives, both in our federal government, as US citizens, and Socialist players on the world political and financial stages, want to see the United States go down this similar road?

What say you?
LOL@ "liberal progressives." As if Conservatives don't have an entitlement mentality.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Much longer than 58, hey?

100 Years Ago...

The average life expectancy in the United States was forty-seven.

The average wage in the U.S. was twenty-two cents an hour. The average U.S. worker made between $200 and $400 per year.

A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, a dentist $2500 per year, a veterinarian between $1500 and $4000 per year, and a mechanical engineer about $5000 per year.

Ninety percent of all U.S. physicians had no college education. Instead, they attended medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and by the government as "substandard".

t
he five leading causes of death in the U.S. were: 1. Pneumonia and influenza 2. Tuberculosis 3. Diarrhea 4. Heart disease 5. Stroke

Not too much has changed in favor of the AMERICAN WORKER. That's pretty much on topic.

Perhaps you could sometimes think before you speak?
Your link was an interesting one that I have had sent me on e-mail more than once.

Do you think that MOgal was really wrong talking about the subject she was talking about? I thought that from the news lately she had a valid topic and you managed to avoid it very well.
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