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Old 12-13-2010, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Plattsburgh NY
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I love this. I really do. What do you propose? Should people who work at Burger King be paid 50 or 100K per year? Libbies are soooo silly
Yet another ridiculous comment. Over kill as usual. Minimum wage raised to a livable income is in no way any where NEAR that much. And I never said anything to insight that. Not even $20/hr is acceptable for those positions, silly. But $7.25/hr is a struggle and should not be accepted as as anything but a struggle. These people work their asses off and deserve a decent comfortable $10 - $12/hr. Even maxing out at the $12 mark is acceptable as long as inflation allows it. Anything more than that would require one to continue into the management field in which one is employed. And in a fair society that would be an option.

Don't put words in my mouth.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Yet another ridiculous comment. Over kill as usual. Minimum wage raised to a livable income is in no way any where NEAR that much. And I never said anything to insight that. Not even $20/hr is acceptable for those positions, silly. But $7.25/hr is a struggle and should not be accepted as as anything but a struggle. These people work their asses off and deserve a decent comfortable $10 - $12/hr. Even maxing out at the $12 mark is acceptable as long as inflation allows it. Anything more than that would require one to continue into the management field in which one is employed. And in a fair society that would be an option.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Who put words in your mouth? I asked you what you propose.

Questions: Why do heart surgeons make six figure salaries?

Why do dish washers at eateries make minimum wage?

Also, these people are more than free to seek other employment if they are unhappy with their situations.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Plattsburgh NY
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Your link was an interesting one that I have had sent me on e-mail more than once.

Do you think that MOgal was really wrong talking about the subject she was talking about? I thought that from the news lately she had a valid topic and you managed to avoid it very well.
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That would take her TOTALLY out of her element.
couldn't have said it better myself. (If it's not meant as sarcasm. I was surprised because we usually disagree on most things)

I didn't avoid ANYTHING. The point is that people have been PISSED OFF as well as PISSED ON for at least 100 years, (and as we all know, much longer than that) which insights resentment and 'irrational' violence. Try again 'roysoldboy'. Good luck.

No one, for the most part, really enjoys being dependent on others or even crappy wages as a means of just surviving. Keep pissing on the American people and see what happens. Don't think it will be good for anyone.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Earth
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The dependency of corporations on government (i.e. the military-industrial complex) DEFINITELY breeds irrational violence
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Plattsburgh NY
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Who put words in your mouth? I asked you what you propose.

Questions: Why do heart surgeons make six figure salaries?

Why do dish washers at eateries make minimum wage?

Also, these people are more than free to seek other employment if they are unhappy with their situations.
It's plain and simple what I propose. It's all there in my post. And conveniently overlooked at that. In America no one that WORKS ANY JOB should be forced to struggle in any way. Simple. Nothing HARD to understand about a decent minimum (livable - no struggle) wage to provide for oneself and/or their family. Yet another perfect example of the American worker being looked 'down' upon.

You put words in my mouth with that ridiculous 50 - 100K/yr crap.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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It's plain and simple what I propose. It's all there in my post. And conveniently overlooked at that. In America no one that WORKS ANY JOB should be forced to struggle in any way. Simple. Nothing HARD to understand about a decent minimum (livable - no struggle) wage to provide for oneself and/or their family. Yet another perfect example of the American worker being looked 'down' upon.

You put words in my mouth with that ridiculous 50 - 100K/yr crap.

So what you propose to do is force business owners to pay unskilled and uneducated workers twice what they are actually worth for performing a job that anyone could do. That's certainly "sensible". I'm looking forward to my 10.00 per gallon gas purchase. I certainly wouldn't want the high school dropout who's pumping it to be under paid so he would have to struggle.
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Does that mean you agree with rioting in the streets, property damage, and the threats upon the lives of state figures over college tuition rates or cuts in social entitlement handouts?
If civil unrest and even violence are what it takes to wake the political establishment and to effect more positive changes in society, well then so be it

Let's face it, it was often FEAR and the threat of physical confrontation that drove those in power to relinquish some of their ill-gotten gains, that allowed various revolutions and civil rights groups in American society to affect significant and long-lasting changes to society...

Last edited by Lycanmaster; 12-13-2010 at 08:50 PM.. Reason: further clarification and explanation
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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What say you?
I see a lot more resentment of the poor and other disadvantaged groups from right-wingers on this forum.
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:52 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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When the Socialist mindset takes hold in a society and social entitlements become rationed it breeds first resentment and then violence in the form of riots in the street and property damage. We can clearly see this as the results of protest and riots in Greece, France, and more recently England.

When people feel entitled to sevices, education, medical care, food, and other goodies by the sweat not of their own labors, but from that of others whose wealth has been forcibly taken under the law and re-distributed to them they become possessive of those entitlements and consider them "rights" not to be removed or even adjusted to a lesser amount.

When rationing of those entitlements occurs they feel threatened as they are dependent upon others to do for them rather than having the ability and will to provide for themselves. Feeling threatened by their dependency they act out not like rational humans but like irrational animals.

Is rioting in the street, property damage, and threatening the lives of national figures really a proportionate response to tuition increase?

We've even seen this before in the US form those protesting World Trade and World banking summits.

Knowing this, why then do liberal Progressives, both in our federal government, as US citizens, and Socialist players on the world political and financial stages, want to see the United States go down this similar road?

What say you?

Anger and violence comes (or will come) when the everyday American is going through hard times yet receives a notice in the mail that their health insurance has just doubled or tripled yet the industry recorded great profit because (regardless of Obamacare). Or when a common medical procedure costs a years wages yet the shareholders of the hospital just recorded a great profit and to the share holders the same medical procedure costs the same and is a drop in the bucket for them to pay if they need it.

Envy of the "rich" might happen because they have fancy cars and dine a $500 dinner, and rent a $3000 a night hotel room but most people aren't out to take that away from them, but when the people see those that are rich who do control politics and the country and make the decision that effects others getting richer while the everyday person is struggling more for basic life, yeah you'll see it boil over at some point.
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Old 12-13-2010, 09:00 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Knowing this, why then do liberal Progressives, both in our federal government, as US citizens, and Socialist players on the world political and financial stages, want to see the United States go down this similar road?

What say you?
Well.

First of all, I do not know for certain, that there is a tremendous amount of difference between Liberal Progressives and The Conservative Right. Not when it comes to that dirty little business known as politics.

I believe that politicians are corrupt, lying and quite often the scum of the earth regardless of whether they have a little "d' or a little "r" behind their name.

That having been said. I believe that whomever is in power at the moment WANTS civil unrest so that they can introduce MEASURES designed to control the uprising and "protect America" from dissenters.

In short, this gives them an opportunity to introduce more and more restrictive and oppressive laws, rules and regulations designed to protect us.

I can see it now. The constitutional right to peaceful assembly will be "suspended" in order to prevent innocent people from being hurt or assaulted. (Never mind if the assembly remains peacful or not...we have to PROTECT people..."just in case".)

By using high-profile examples that are plastered all over the media, the administration instills fear into us which they will hope to assuage our fears by implementing POLICY to protect us. And in the process reduce our constitutional rights ever further and further.

My humble opinion only of course.

20yrsinBranson
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