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Old 12-13-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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So what happens to private healthcare systems, will they be illegal to operate or to participate in?
The only capitalist democracy that ever banned private health insurance was Canada, and that ban was struck down by the Canadian Supreme Court. Even when private health insurance in Canada was banned, private healthcare systems continued to deliver health care.

In the UK since the NHS was instituted, private health care systems have continued to exist.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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I read, a while back, that the Senate made a big time mistake by forgetting to include the severability clause. It was in the House bill, but left out of the Senate bill. What that means is that if one of the federal judges rules that the insurance mandate clause is unconstitutional, the entire bill will be tossed out.

However, today, I am hearing that the judge said he could "sever" 1501, the "individual mandate" as unconstitutional. 1501 is what funded most of the healthcare bill. So, if the bill is held up in circuit court or the Supreme Court rules 1501 as unconstitutional, there would be no funding for the bill.

I would wonder that the argument isn't being made that the clause was not included in the Senate bill.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:41 PM
 
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All of my fiancee's progressive Canadian family HATE their healthcare system and purchase private insurance. Just anecdotal information, but it's kind of interesting because they live in different provinces and are from all walks of life, lower middle to upper middle class.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:42 PM
 
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Which begs the question as to why other developed countries can offer a healthcare system which is broadly equivalent to ours in terms of quality
It's not equivalent. They have to wait longer for critical care (cardiac surgery, for example).
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"The waiting list to see a cardiologist is 18 months."

"Once seen by a cardiologist, the waiting time to have the investigations is six months, and only then can the patients get on the waiting list for cardiac surgery. "It's true that no-one is waiting over 10 months for surgery but the big problem is that the patient has to wait two years to get on that list."

"It means it's nearly three years in total - that's a lot of uncertainty and ill-health for people."
BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Waiting list times 'falling'
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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Define "successful". Are any of the "successful" nations you're speaking of the ones that may have to be bailed out by the EU or are spiraling out of control?
France and Germany are hardly spiralling out of control.

The bail-out countries are irrevelant to the healthcare discussion.

I imagine Germany fits into your definition of success? You know, being an economic powerhouse and all...
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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It's not equivalent. They have to wait longer for critical care (cardiac surgery, for example).BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Waiting list times 'falling'
How long would a low earner have to wait for the same surgery in the US system?
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:49 PM
 
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How long would a low earner have to wait for the same surgery in the US system?
Low earners are eligible for Medicaid. They're covered. They get the medical care they need.
https://www.cms.gov/MedicaidEligibility/02_AreYouEligible_.asp (broken link)
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:50 PM
 
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It's not equivalent. They have to wait longer for critical care (cardiac surgery, for example).BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Waiting list times 'falling'
The NHS has its problems and Brits often complain about it.
Very few would like it done away with, however. It's seen by even people on the right side of the political spectrum as a "necessary evil". Something that for all its problems is preferable to nothing like it existing at all.
FWIW there are long waits for critical care in the US as well.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:52 PM
 
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The NHS has its problems and Brits often complain about it.
Very few would like it done away with, however. It's seen by even people on the right side of the political spectrum as a "necessary evil". Something that for all its problems is preferable to nothing like it existing at all.
FWIW there are long waits for critical care in the US as well.
Really? Show the stats of Americans waiting 3 years for cardiac surgery.

And we don't have 'nothing at all.' We have Medicaid.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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Low earners are eligible for Medicaid. They're covered. They get the medical care they need.
https://www.cms.gov/MedicaidEligibility/02_AreYouEligible_.asp (broken link)
Yes but how long is the waiting list for cardiac surgery? For comparative purposes.
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