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Old 12-13-2010, 03:38 PM
 
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How do we know that the US system has shorter waiting lists? All I wanted to know was how you came to your conclusion that the NHS in Britain has longer waiting lists than the public system in the US?
Cite a source stating American patients have to wait 3 years for cardiac surgery.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Dah, except for the fact its not free in Canada (or anywhere else). I have a business partner in Canada who had to pay for nurses to take care of his mother in the home because insurance wont cover it. Here, they are covered.. So you want reduced care? What an odd position to hold..
So why is the US losing jobs to Canada?
Why is Canada more business friendly than the US, with a better economy and lower unemployment?
Rick Wagoner before he was fired said that GM laid off a smaller percentage of its Canadian workforce than its US work force because of Canada having single payer. (And, FWIW, GM has operated in Canada as long as it has operated in the US)
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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It will be ruled constitutional. even the supremes don't want chaos.
What chaos?
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:43 PM
 
Location: THE USA
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Dah, except for the fact its not free in Canada (or anywhere else). I have a business partner in Canada who had to pay for nurses to take care of his mother in the home because insurance wont cover it. Here, they are covered.. So you want reduced care? What an odd position to hold..
Canada has universal care for everyone... meaning it is the same price for everyone dear, whether it is $0 or $1,000.00. That is- we all would be paying the same rate, there would be NO elitist plans vs. Medicaid plans. The poor and the rich would get the same chance at survival and proper health treatments. Everyone would be treated equal which does not happen here.

Health care in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No, in the US people are NOT covered for in home care or whatever your specific needs are. It depends on what company and plan you are on. Do you not know this?

What on earth makes you think that Hospice OR rehabilitation is always covered??? Too funny, you don't sound old enough to be on your own plan. Or you would know all this.

Please stop talking for you have no idea what you are saying.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:44 PM
 
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So why is the US losing jobs to Canada?
Why is Canada more business friendly than the US, with a better economy and lower unemployment?
Rick Wagoner before he was fired said that GM laid off a smaller percentage of its Canadian workforce than its US work force because of Canada having single payer. (And, FWIW, GM has operated in Canada as long as it has operated in the US)
Do you think the US is losing jobs to Canada because the businesses care about the employees? They care ABOUT THEMSELF.. The fact that they have a single payer means lower BUSINESS costs, not employees. And the fact that the employees have less costs, means they get less care.

Again, in Canada you cant get a nurse to come to individuals homes without it being paid for out of pocket.. Here you can because insurance pays for it.. One way or another its being paid for. Do you support the need to be paying out of pocket to have a nurse come to your home? Then why shouldnt you support the need to have people pay to see a doctor for routine checkups?
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:54 PM
 
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Canada has universal care for everyone... meaning it is the same price for everyone dear, whether it is $0 or $1,000.00. That is- we all would be paying the same rate, there would be NO elitist plans vs. Medicaid plans. The poor and the rich would get the same chance at survival and proper health treatments. Everyone would be treated equal which does not happen here.
Clearly you have no clue as most liberals.. The only way under your scenario is if all medical care was paid for by government BUT ITS NOT.. Clearly the rich get better care in Canada because THEY CAN PAY for what isnt covered.. Only in liberal utopia world do people get 100% care and this does not describe Canada in the least. Spare me the wikipeia links which dispute nothing..
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No, in the US people are NOT covered for in home care or whatever your specific needs are. It depends on what company and plan you are on. Do you not know this? What on earth makes you think that Hospice OR rehabilitation is always covered??? Too funny, you don't sound old enough to be on your own plan. Or you would know all this.
Again, in Canada very little are covered.
The Hospice System in the USA
In fact, only 10% of Canadians with advanced illness actually receive hospice palliative care. The cost of being able to stay at home when terminally ill is considerable, and the patient or the family usually has to find this money. (In the USA hospice care is usually covered by Medicare or Health Maintenance Organization (HMO) payments).

In america, about 80% are covered
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Please stop talking for you have no idea what you are saying.
Clearly its YOU that has no clue as usual.. Why are you guys celebrating the Canadian system where the rich get better treatment than the poor because THEY PAY FOR IT?
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:55 PM
 
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I guess some kinds of activist judges are a-OK.
Yes, the ones that actually use what's written in the constitution instead of warping and twisting it into whatever their personal beliefs are.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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I guess this makes Obama ZERO for Everything. The Republicans couldn't have picked a better Democrat for Presidents.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:01 PM
 
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I agree, I was just making a joke.

However the Germans wanted the EU to include Eastern Euro countries with historical ties to Germany in order to increase German influence within the EU, and with those countries included in the EU and the Schengen agreement has come more immigration from those countries. An "externality" is an unintended consequence.
Germany has not had more immigration from those countries though, as most EU states were allowed restrict immigration from the accession states for a number of years. The restriction ends soon though.
The only countries that didn't cap immigration were Ireland, the UK and possibly Denmark.

Sorry for not getting your joke in the earlier post

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Cite a source stating American patients have to wait 3 years for cardiac surgery.
Why? I'm not the one making any claims. I don't know which system is better.

I'm just asking how the US fares in relation to the NHS, which you were criticising.
You are working on the assumption that the US system has lower waiting times. The assumption may be correct, but it's impossible to know when you only provide stats for one system and use assumptions for the other.
It seems like you are selecting stats to confirm an opinion.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:03 PM
 
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I have no desire to quote you because it is all so incorrect I don't know where to begin. Having a single payer health care system would make everyone happier. Yes, the rich could upgrade just like with cars. But currently people ARE DYING from poor health care insurance that will not cover them.


At least this way, they will get take care of, and those of us with money can pitch in and add some and get better stuff.

The insurance companies are corrupt and need to be reeled in.

Canada and the UK have better systems. The best is the Danish of course, part of the reason they are so happy is because they have universal health care, they have free college, and their government seems to understand that when you have happy healthy citizens, they work HARDER and longer, and ACHIEVE MORE than sick, poor, stupid citizens like the US has.


The Danish understand that the wealthy SHOULD Support the poor in times of need, they won't ALWAYS be needy, but it could happen to YOU or anyone really.

Table: The World's Happiest Countries - Forbes.com
"The Scandinavian countries do really well," says Jim Harter, a chief scientist at Gallup (http://topics.forbes.com/gallup - broken link), which developed the poll. "One theory why is that they have their basic needs taken care of to a higher degree than other countries. When we look at all the data, those basic needs explain the relationship between income and well-being."
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