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Old 12-13-2010, 12:50 PM
 
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good one but not really.... the system works for insurance if risk is equal and costs are spread to everyone. otherwise we have a smoker obese and 59 years old ending up costing the system gazillions cuz he did not pay for health care insurance.
If that described Obamacare you might have a point but it doesnt. This gives money to the insurance industry, or the government. Thats not spreading the costs, thats increasing taxes. Obamas own reply to the courts call this a tax...

You can still get that 59 year old ending up costing the system gazillions because he didnt pay for health care insurance..
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Old 12-13-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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Because the principle of economic substitution does not apply but it does apply to all other commerce including all products. If you want a burger or a car you have choice zillions of choices but if you have a heart attack you have one choice and that is a hospital. given that one choice the government has a lawful right to impose choice and restrictions as you when you do have a heart attack will use up funds (mucho funds) to pay for your care. their is no substitute and as such the gov't has a lawful and compelling interest.
Your argument would hold water if the government proposed to take over the hospitals.. But they didnt..
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Old 12-13-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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Why isn't there an outcry about car insurance? Where are the federal prosecutors about this? Should this be the next fight?
Because car insurance is a STATE requirement, not federal one. The Constitution says all items not mentioned in the Constitition is the responsibility of the STATE.. Is healthcare in the Constitution, how about car insurance? no. Meaning states can mandate x, y, z, but not the federal government.
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Old 12-13-2010, 12:54 PM
 
Location: 22 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Funny how some people are opposed to judicial activism when it suits them (e.g. Iowa) but are also in favor when it suits them

Anyway, let it go to the Supreme Court. As the cost of health care rises, as States cut back on their health care programs, as Medicare & Medicaid eat up more and more tax dollars and as employers continue to cut back on benefits, even Republicans are going realize that proper health care reform is inevitable.
and there is NOTHING you can do to control costs

are you going to nationalize the gauze industry???
are you going to nationalize the plaster industry???
are you going to set nurse pay at $5/hr???
are you going to nationize the electric companies so all the juice that doctors and hospitals need is free????? ( the average hosiptal has a 380,000 dollar MONTHLY electric bill,,,thats over 4.5 MILLION dollars a year just for electricity)
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Old 12-13-2010, 12:58 PM
 
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Thank God for George Bush!

Three words socialists hate: Obamacare is unconstitutional.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: 22 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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I agree with you but capitalism is the paradigm here so asking people to make less money is not realistic.....so getting citizens covered and risk spread out may be the only alternative....if the nation keeps fighting guzillions $$ worth or wars I don't really think that will change....you?
ah the risk spread out arguement

here's the end of that one

medicaide...our singlepayer system costs over 320 BILLION just to cover 30 million people, it is less costly than the 80/20 medicare (because that demographic is more expensive)......to cover our entire population on a single payer system would cost between 3.4 trillion A YEAR... now let's look at the taxbase (our taxpayers) (according to the irs) there are 105 million tax FILERS , (many who get back most if now all they paid, but we wont go there) so take the 3-4 trillion and divide by the 105 million..you get 28k to 38k A TAXPAYER....yep that is sure spreading it out

can YOU..AADAD afford a 28k to 38k tax bill...i think not
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:03 PM
 
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In before the "taxes are what we pay for a civilized society" nutburgers.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:05 PM
 
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There is no doubt the judge ruled correctly based on the Constitution...however Obama and his administration don't give a crap about the Constitution....and neither do left-wing liberal idiots.
I hear we will all be mandated to buy auto insurance next. It makes sense, we are all exposed to automobiles on an almost daily or weekly basis. Regardless on whether we own a car, drive a car, or we are little tykes who sit in a car seat, we are all exposed to cars, and we all need insurance.

We sure as hell are waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy overdue for mandatory home/renters insurance.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I hear we will all be mandated to buy auto insurance next. It makes sense, we are all exposed to automobiles on an almost daily or weekly basis. Regardless on whether we own a car, drive a car, or we are little tykes who sit in a car seat, we are all exposed to cars, and we all need insurance.
No doubt Obama and his corporate cronies (Allstate, State Farm, et al) will want to get in on that deal.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:08 PM
 
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ah the risk spread out arguement

here's the end of that one

medicaide...our singlepayer system costs over 320 BILLION just to cover 30 million people, it is less costly than the 80/20 medicare (because that demographic is more expensive)......to cover our entire population on a single payer system would cost between 3.4 trillion A YEAR... now let's look at the taxbase (our taxpayers) (according to the irs) there are 105 million tax FILERS , (many who get back most if now all they paid, but we wont go there) so take the 3-4 trillion and divide by the 105 million..you get 28k to 38k A TAXPAYER....yep that is sure spreading it out

can YOU..AADAD afford a 28k to 38k tax bill...i think not
Which begs the question as to why other developed countries can offer a healthcare system which is broadly equivalent to ours in terms of quality but which costs between two and three times less than ours does.
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