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A good observation. It seems the label is the only consideration. Repubs don't evaluate that if an election is falsified it undermines the Constitution. or the Dems that if we prosecute those revealing truth we support those doing wrong.
I think this is why we sat idle in 2000 as the Supreme Court was allowed to determine the president and no one wanted to get to the truth. Now we have people that simply don't evaluate the party and kneee jerk reject everything Obama does. It is strange but it seems people will vote on one issue. In my memeory it seems that is a phenomena from the Reagan years. where people voted for or against allowing abortions. We no define ourselves on single issues. In order for Repubs to gain control they want to make the issue health care.
There will rarely be a case where anyone will agree 100% with the policies of a president. but it isn't about us as an individual but us as a nation and together we find our greatness.
We need to stop depending on the labels and look at the actions. A person that supports the Patriot Act is not supporting the Constitution... they are mutually exclusive, regardless of what someone in power says. Bush started it, but Obama continued it. For me they are both wrong. regardless of their party. It isn't the label, but the actions . People need to use reason and common sense instead of listening to biased groups that have their own agenda.
A good observation. It seems the label is the only consideration. Repubs don't evaluate that if an election is falsified it undermines the Constitution. or the Dems that if we prosecute those revealing truth we support those doing wrong.
I think this is why we sat idle in 2000 as the Supreme Court was allowed to determine the president and no one wanted to get to the truth. Now we have people that simply don't evaluate the party and kneee jerk reject everything Obama does. It is strange but it seems people will vote on one issue. In my memeory it seems that is a phenomena from the Reagan years. where people voted for or against allowing abortions. We no define ourselves on single issues. In order for Repubs to gain control they want to make the issue health care.
There will rarely be a case where anyone will agree 100% with the policies of a president. but it isn't about us as an individual but us as a nation and together we find our greatness.
We need to stop depending on the labels and look at the actions. A person that supports the Patriot Act is not supporting the Constitution... they are mutually exclusive, regardless of what someone in power says. Bush started it, but Obama continued it. For me they are both wrong. regardless of their party. It isn't the label, but the actions . People need to use reason and common sense instead of listening to biased groups that have their own agenda.
I would have to agree. We simply need either a lot more parties or just have no party and then simply vote based on where a person stands on the issues rather than whether they have a D or R beside their names.
The other thing you will notice on here is that a great many people are "against" this or "against" that but it is often hard to define what they are in favor of.
The other thing you will notice on here is that a great many people are "against" this or "against" that but it is often hard to define what they are in favor of.
They are usually against being in favor of anything.
Why do people cheer relentlessly for their 'team' (the R's or the D's) instead of thinking through the issue and coming to an individual conclusion?
Why do people not support good, positive legislation simply because it's proposed by the other team?
Isn't this a short-sighted and dangerous way to form political opinions?
Has Politics become sports where people cheer for their team without condition and are loyal regardless of what the team does and how it plays?
I would say that any cheering for legislation that broadens the powers of the central government even moreso, and in contradiction to those powers enumerated by the Constitution, are destructive to this nation and the founding principles of liberty and certain inalienable natural rights.
What you may view as "good postive legislation" may not be the same in my analysis. Because liberal progressives so rarely vote to make government smaller and return to the boundaries of Constitutional authority in their proposed legislation, including that which the federal government is allowed regarding spending and debt, I will side against them more often than not, if not always.
Politics as a sport, as in an atheltic activity? No, it is not. Silly comparison, IMO.
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I would say that any cheering for legislation that broadens the powers of the central government even moreso, and in contradiction to those powers enumerated by the Constitution, are destructive to this nation and the founding principles of liberty and vertain inalienable natural rights.
What you may view as "good postive legislation" may not be the same in my analysis. Because liberal progressives so rarely vote to make government smaller and return to the boundaries of Constitutional authority in their proposed legislation, including that which the federal government is allowed regarding spending and debt, I will side against them more often than not, if not always.
Politics as a sport, as in an atheltic activity? No, it is not. Silly comparison, IMO.
Why do people cheer relentlessly for their 'team' (the R's or the D's) instead of thinking through the issue and coming to an individual conclusion?
Why do people not support good, positive legislation simply because it's proposed by the other team?
Isn't this a short-sighted and dangerous way to form political opinions?
Has Politics become sports where people cheer for their team without condition and are loyal regardless of what the team does and how it plays?
There are a number of reasons but one of the most obvious and over looked is that condensing politics down to either one of two categories means a person no longer has to think. Pure and simple intellectual laziness, because if people were forced to actually consider policy matters, they would end up looking a lot more like each other than not.
I could spend a gig worth of text here pointing out the hypocrisy of the left and right's positions on countless things. However it is easier to pick a team, find solidarity with like minded people, in fact there is an evolutionary benefit to this. Lean against your wall blissfully ignorant and point to the other side and say, there lay evil.
Now what happens when you ask one of the sports fans about an actual policy measure that they may have to concede on, it creates cognitive dissonance, in which a person tries to hold two conflicting views simultaneously. Most people are so fixed in their belief systems that this dissonance is too much to bear so they either rationalize or simply ignore those issues that conflict with their own personal beliefs the most.
Despite mans great technological achievements, when it comes to psychological evolution, he is still rather infantile and locked into primitive manners of thinking, where things like abstracts are next to impossible.
I have a good friend who uses the term, "from the moon". What if you were an alien visitor to earth and you looked down at the planet from the moon, what could you conclude if you were to look at it objectively? This aspect of being able to place oneself into the shoes or situation of another, especially an adversarial position is next to impossible. Man is still driven by primitive beliefs. "God said it, I believe it, and that is that", which applies to non-religious folks as well, but that is the general theme we operate under.
Admittedly it is quite fascinating that we can choose between 100 different models of cars, a 1000 different types of shoes, and 10's of different brands of airlines, but when it comes to the politics of 300+ million individual and different citizens, we fit politics and all associated views into left or right.
I suspect if America was by amendment forced to have at least three political parties, that it would change the face of political discussions by simply opening up something to the third dimension.
Why do people cheer relentlessly for their 'team' (the R's or the D's) instead of thinking through the issue and coming to an individual conclusion?
Why do people not support good, positive legislation simply because it's proposed by the other team?
Isn't this a short-sighted and dangerous way to form political opinions?
Has Politics become sports where people cheer for their team without condition and are loyal regardless of what the team does and how it plays?
I get the same impression. in the US politics seem like a mix of sports and entertainment. I find it funny to observe the enthusiasm at party conventions etc. In other parts of the world when people vote, they know they just elect a new bunch of bureaucrats who are likely to suck, hoping they pick the lesser evil of all political evils out there. Thus there is no cheering and admiration for politicians, hardly any identification with parties, there are no masses of people wasting their time and effort on their parties, wearing buttons etc.
The defacto two-party system of course promotes that sports character, we against the others, like with sports a replacement for war.
Not adapting the opponent's ideas (and admitting it) is typical of humans, especially men. Women tend to be a bit more unifying and diplomatic, maybe that is why there are so few real women in politics. Those that are behave like typical men.
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