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View Poll Results: Should people be required to submit to a drug screen before receiving unemployment benefits or welfa
Yes 118 65.19%
No 63 34.81%
Voters: 181. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-15-2012, 08:32 AM
 
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Ok please show some real data backing this and a correlation to the snap program.
LOL, now where are you going to find that? Do you have any idea how hard the addiction of something like heroin is? I had one of my best friends come to me crying telling me I can no longer trust him because he was a heroin addict. Do you think if one of my best friends since I was a child can't be trusted that he's not going to use any means possible to obtain drugs including what the government is giving him?
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Old 09-15-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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We experimented with this in Florida, and the experiment failed. It ended up costing the tax payers more, not less.
False, the figures that cite this loss only use the 108 people that failed the test. They do not account for the 1600 people that refused the test.
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Old 09-15-2012, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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False, the figures that cite this loss only use the 108 people that failed the test. They do not account for the 1600 people that refused the test.
It ended up costing us more, and therefore failed. It will most likely be repealed. Also, people don't like to be treated like criminals who have to prove they are innocent of crimes, when they have committed none.
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Old 09-15-2012, 09:03 AM
 
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It ended up costing us more, and therefore failed.
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Also, people don't like to be treated like criminals who have to prove they are innocent of crimes, when they have committed none.
If I can be denied a job for the legal use of nicotine even from a patch these people can be denied welfare for using illegal drugs.
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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LOL, now where are you going to find that? Do you have any idea how hard the addiction of something like heroin is? I had one of my best friends come to me crying telling me I can no longer trust him because he was a heroin addict. Do you think if one of my best friends since I was a child can't be trusted that he's not going to use any means possible to obtain drugs including what the government is giving him?
I have no personal experience with heroin. I also have no doubt of a drug addicts desperation. That wasn't the issue. There are things that can be tracked. Just assuming wide-spread drug addicts are using snap to purchase drugs seems pointless.They have had food stamps for awhile, w/o drug testing. If you are a heroin addict, it is hard to miss. Heroin is brutal. Surely, somewhere there are statistics on this issue.

But hey say you send the crack-heads away from food supplementation. So what? Should be able to tell if they need food or nutrition, right. If they don't get it what have you accomplished?

I have no issue helping chemical addictions, but that hasn't been the focal point in this country by along shot. Nothing in your graph even intimates they are trying to help anyone. Just pay out less.
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:09 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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A job is different from social welfare that function functions as a safety net. Requiring a drug test for benefits only sacrifices the end to the means regarding poverty in our republic and engenders more poverty.

In my opinion, if we have to take a drug test for social welfare benefits, then our elected representatives should be required to take a morals test if they claim morals when running for public office.
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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I have no personal experience with heroin. I also have no doubt of a drug addicts desperation. That wasn't the issue. There are things that can be tracked.
How do you track something after it's been purchased?

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If you are a heroin addict, it is hard to miss. Heroin is brutal.
Not always.
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:33 AM
 
Location: USA
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The poor are not our problem in this country. In fact, they're the ones already being exploited. Corporations and corporate culture is the problem in this country.
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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then our elected representatives should be required to take a morals test if they claim morals when running for public office.
How fo you test for that especially considering the definition of what is moral can be vastly different amongst so many people?

I'd certainly support testing politicians for drugs though.
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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I believe we could petition a Pope for a contingent of subject matter specialists in that regard.

In any case, denying and disparaging individual liberty and our privileges and immunities merely to sacrifice the end to the means, contrary to the "dictates of plain reason and legal axioms" should be considered repugnant to our several Constitutions and supreme laws of the land.
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