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View Poll Results: Should people be required to submit to a drug screen before receiving unemployment benefits or welfa
Yes 118 65.19%
No 63 34.81%
Voters: 181. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-14-2010, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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No problems at all with this if EVERYONE who uses government services has to be tested. Oh but, that would mean all of us wouldn't it?
I'm not talking about things everyone can use like parks, fire, police, libraries, etc. I'm talking about something special that is given to you b/c you don't feel like getting a job or closing your legs.

Come on, now, you knew that.
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Old 12-14-2010, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Heart of Oklahoma
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YES

Many jobs require it, the money saved from abuse would
cover the cost of the fraud that the current system has now.

If this were to pass people just might have to become accountable
Not saying it wouldn't be a bad idea, but it is costly. Yes, some companies make it mandatory when hiring a new employee, however they have the means to pay for it. The gov can't afford to administer tests for every welfare family and/or individual. Which means you would probably pay for it indirectly through taxes... I don't see many people on board once they figure that one out.
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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It's not about what I don't like... I'm not the rulemaker, it was just a question... Seems like a lot of people are getting handouts without much real oversight... It's frustrating to lots of us who work very hard just to scrape by without taking handouts so we don't burden anyone else.
NO WAY! This is an absurd idea. We already know that most of you posters, hate the poor anyhow. Now you want to invade their privacy, by forcing ALL welfare and unemployment benefit recipients, to take mandatory drug tests??? That's so Orwellian! This is still a free country, even for the poor!

I guess now you assume that ALL people receiving government and state benefits, are junkies. It doesn't surprise me, since you think that ALL of the poor, are automatically the scum of the earth anyhow.

And I also don't think that drug testing should be mandatory, for ALL job applicants. It would only be justifiable, if the job applicant had a past conviction for drug use, was fired from a past job for drug abuse, or if the applicant must operate heavy machinery, or drive a vehicle. In any other case, drug tests for job applicants, is an invasion of privacy.
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:34 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Not saying it wouldn't be a bad idea, but it is costly. Yes, some companies make it mandatory when hiring a new employee, however they have the means to pay for it. The gov can't afford to administer tests for every welfare family and/or individual. Which means you would probably pay for it indirectly through taxes... I don't see many people on board once they figure that one out.
It would pay for its self if we got those doing drugs off the gov payroll. Also if we got those abusing the system off the payroll

If you can afford to do drugs you can afford to buy your own food. I know someone that gets food stamps and smokes pot spending over 100.00 a week on their pot.
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:53 AM
 
Location: In the desert
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I also would like to know why the system was created in a way that it is easy for people to manipulate and commit fraud. Our legislators should be ashamed of themselves.
Because some of those who created it are much bigger abusers & thieves than those they are supposed to be helping.
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Old 12-14-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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It would pay for its self if we got those doing drugs off the gov payroll. Also if we got those abusing the system off the payroll

If you can afford to do drugs you can afford to buy your own food. I know someone that gets food stamps and smokes pot spending over 100.00 a week on their pot.
You're yet another poster, who wants to invade the privacy of the poor. Just admit that you hate the poor, and consider them less than human, rather than hide behind this mandatory drug testing business!
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Old 12-14-2010, 12:01 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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It would pay for its self if we got those doing drugs off the gov payroll. Also if we got those abusing the system off the payroll

If you can afford to do drugs you can afford to buy your own food. I know someone that gets food stamps and smokes pot spending over 100.00 a week on their pot.
As long as those who think it's a good idea also agree that their taxes should be raised initially to pay for it, then I agree.

Lets drug test everybody who collects or benefits from the government.
In fact, lets put GPS units on those who collect welfare & ue so we can track them. This would tell us if they are out looking for work or not.
Then we could make them wear brown shirts so we would all be able to recognize who collects welfare, food stamps or UE.

Seriously, why stop at drug testing?
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Old 12-14-2010, 12:04 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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NO WAY! This is an absurd idea. We already know that most of you posters, hate the poor anyhow. Now you want to invade their privacy, by forcing ALL welfare and unemployment benefit recipients, to take mandatory drug tests??? That's so Orwellian! This is still a free country, even for the poor!

I guess now you assume that ALL people receiving government and state benefits, are junkies. It doesn't surprise me, since you think that ALL of the poor, are automatically the scum of the earth anyhow.

And I also don't think that drug testing should be mandatory, for ALL job applicants. It would only be justifiable, if the job applicant had a past conviction for drug use, was fired from a past job for drug abuse, or if the applicant must operate heavy machinery, or drive a vehicle. In any other case, drug tests for job applicants, is an invasion of privacy.
Why is there any expectation that anyone feeding at the public trough is entitled to privacy to the point where engaging in illegal activity at taxpayer expense is something that should not be exposed?

You want privacy? Then take full responsibility for providing for yourself and your offspring! If I as a taxpayer am paying for what you have - food, lodging, lottery tickets, big screen TV, cigarettes, beer, bingo, weed, etc., - then you're subject to my inspection at any time. If those terms are unacceptable, or you are unable to comply due to character defects, then no more money. Simple enough? Privacy is not an option when suckling at the taxpayers' teat!

I took/take drug tests at work and am subject to thorough (and very intrusive) background investigations on a regular basis. Gee, all that and I still have to actually *work* for my money too! Why can't *I* just sit home, fire up my taxpayer-provided bong and have the check magically appear?
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Old 12-14-2010, 12:07 PM
 
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Drug test for welfare? Yes. If you're on drugs, we shouldn't have to pay for them.
Drug test for unemployment? No. What you do is your business. You paid into the system, you get to waste it all you want.
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Old 12-14-2010, 12:17 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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Why is there any expectation that anyone feeding at the public trough is entitled to privacy to the point where engaging in illegal activity at taxpayer expense is something that should not be exposed?

You want privacy? Then take full responsibility for providing for yourself and your offspring! If I as a taxpayer am paying for what you have - food, lodging, lottery tickets, big screen TV, cigarettes, beer, bingo, weed, etc., - then you're subject to my inspection at any time. If those terms are unacceptable, or you are unable to comply due to character defects, then no more money. Simple enough? Privacy is not an option when suckling at the taxpayers' teat!

I took/take drug tests at work and am subject to thorough (and very intrusive) background investigations on a regular basis. Gee, all that and I still have to actually *work* for my money too! Why can't *I* just sit home, fire up my taxpayer-provided bong and have the check magically appear?
As a tax payer you also contibute to the salaries of our politicians who feed from the public trough.
Do you think we should require ALL of them to have drug testing ?
How about everyone who benefits from government money in any way or is it just the poor?
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