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Old 12-21-2010, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Who are you to dictate how another person spends/invests/saves his or her money?
The whole idea of tax cuts are that putting more money in the hands of people benefits everyone.

If its not benefiting everyone, then the case for tax cuts has lost its base.

As much as our Democratic Republic, and our capitalist system is about freedom, its also about whats best for the majority.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

Some of the greatest free capitalists in history have felt the same way, which is why they give away the majority of their wealth to public institutions. They pass their business onto their children, and thats more than capable of giving them everything they could want and then some.
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:04 PM
 
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If you can't understand that, then you need to educate yourself. The items left behind should not have an advantage over other methods of one obtaining wealth etc.
Right. Let me see- that income has been taxed once already. Can you tell me exactly how taxing that money again is not double taxation?

Can you describe for me a better formula to kill the family farm? In case you don't know (and obviously you do not know) the average farm in the midwest is over 1,500 acres. That is not the "hobby farms" or the 450 acres that I own (I am included in the "farmer" stats), that is a real working farm. Most small land owners rent out thier land to larger actual farmers who raise and harvest the crops. Most "farmers" do not own ANY equipment or the means to plant,raise, and harvest crops.

The real farmers farm VERY LARGE areas and own at least 1500 acres. The reported size of farms is distorted by the large number of small land owners who have farmers actually farm that land. Good farm land is at $ 6000/acre or more. Multiply that by 1500 and you have $ 8 million. When Pops dies, the sons who farm the land would be screwed and would have to sell off a good deal of the family land, just to be able to pay the taxes. Given the cost of renting the land that they used to own, this squeezes the family farm more and more and creates an environment of purely corporate farms.

Liberals are well meaning people who just don't know what the hell they are doing or understand the damage that they create by the best of intentions. Perhaps liberals should stick with what they know best- complaining- and leave real life management and daily living to people who know better.
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:06 PM
 
Location: South East
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Who are you to dictate how another person spends/invests/saves his or her money?

That is a great and valid question!

Sadly, so many on this forum think they can spew their ideas on how other's need to spen/invest their money. They also think it is ok to spew their jealousy/hatred of people whom they think have too much.

Kinda sad....mostly pathetic.
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Austin
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The whole idea of tax cuts are that putting more money in the hands of people benefits everyone.

If its not benefiting everyone, then the case for tax cuts has lost its base.

As much as our Democratic Republic, and our capitalist system is about freedom, its also about whats best for the majority.
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That may be what you believe, but it's not true. The whole idea of tax cuts is to let people keep more of THEIR money and do whatever they want with it. That's called freedom. And if could ever reduce taxes enough, maybe our bloated government would be forced to REDUCE GOVERNMENT. What a novel idea.
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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That is a great and valid question!

Sadly, so many on this forum think they can spew their ideas on how other's need to spen/invest their money. They also think it is ok to spew their jealousy/hatred of people whom they think have too much.

Kinda sad....mostly pathetic.
Do we do anything in this country that doesn't benefit the country as a whole, or do we do things that benefits individuals, and not the majority of people.

A country that doesn't protect the majority, won't be a country for long.
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Right. Let me see- that income has been taxed once already. Can you tell me exactly how taxing that money again is not double taxation?

Can you describe for me a better formula to kill the family farm? In case you don't know (and obviously you do not know) the average farm in the midwest is over 1,500 acres. That is not the "hobby farms" or the 450 acres that I own (I am included in the "farmer" stats), that is a real working farm. Most small land owners rent out thier land to larger actual farmers who raise and harvest the crops. Most "farmers" do not own ANY equipment or the means to plant,raise, and harvest crops.

The real farmers farm VERY LARGE areas and own at least 1500 acres. The reported size of farms is distorted by the large number of small land owners who have farmers actually farm that land. Good farm land is at $ 6000/acre or more. Multiply that by 1500 and you have $ 8 million. When Pops dies, the sons who farm the land would be screwed and would have to sell off a good deal of the family land, just to be able to pay the taxes. Given the cost of renting the land that they used to own, this squeezes the family farm more and more and creates an environment of purely corporate farms.

Liberals are well meaning people who just don't know what the hell they are doing or understand the damage that they create by the best of intentions. Perhaps liberals should stick with what they know best- complaining- and leave real life management and daily living to people who know better.
Knowing what the actual impact is, might help you.

FactCheck.org: Estate Tax Malarkey (http://www.factcheck.org/article328.html - broken link)
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:27 PM
 
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Basicalolt its just anther attempt by liberal politics to shift the welath to the state. Stalin did it;Hitler did it ;socialist all do it.
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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That may be what you believe, but it's not true. The whole idea of tax cuts is to let people keep more of THEIR money and do whatever they want with it. That's called freedom. And if could ever reduce taxes enough, maybe our bloated government would be forced to REDUCE GOVERNMENT. What a novel idea.
So the whole trickle down thing that Republicans have been marketing is just bull, and you voted for them anyway?
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Old 12-21-2010, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Pa
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So the whole trickle down thing that Republicans have been marketing is just bull, and you voted for them anyway?
And how does increasing taxes without reducing spending help the nation? This what both parties seem to ignore.
So what the dems want to do is selectively tax some so that the gov can justify wasteing more money still.
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Austin
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A country that doesn't protect the majority, won't be a country for long.

You have it backwards. A country that does not protect individual rights and privacy will not be a country for long.
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