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Old 12-14-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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Well considering that government spending has gone from 7% of GDP in 1902 to 45% of GDP in 2010 I would conclude that we are surrounded by a bloated government.
Perfect comparision of our federal government spending pre-Socialist policies vs. after Socialist entitlements and regulatory agencies were enacted.
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Old 12-14-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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One of the things I am seeing a lot of from liberals who are against the tax deal is "where are the teabaggers, they don't care about the deficit afterall". Yet if you look at the Rep Senators who voted against the tax deal, they are the most tea party oriented such as Jim DeMint. You will see the same in the House. Tea Party favorite Michele Bachmann for example will vote against it.

Here's the irony. Liberals hate the Tea Party. They consider establishment Republicans to be less of a threat, Yet on this tax deal liberals and the Tea party are on the same team (libs because of "tax cuts for the rich" and tea party because of deficit and pork spending). It's the establishment Reps along with more moderate Dems who are voting Yes on the tax deal. They are the ones who don't care about the deficit, not the TEA party.
You're correct to an extent, yes, most of the tea party are against the tax deal because they feel no compromise should be made what so ever. They want the tax cuts for the rich permanent, as well as other massive pork for the top .5% These are the far right extremists.
The deal as it sits now is all republican with a cookie thrown to Obama which he's happy to accept and the republicans with a D next to their names as well. The only ones truly fighting to stop the insane spending plan is the core democrats.
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:04 PM
 
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You're correct to an extent, yes, most of the tea party are against the tax deal because they feel no compromise should be made what so ever. They want the tax cuts for the rich permanent, as well as other massive pork for the top .5% These are the far right extremists.
The deal as it sits now is all republican with a cookie thrown to Obama which he's happy to accept and the republicans with a D next to their names as well. The only ones truly fighting to stop the insane spending plan is the core democrats.
I really don't get your post. Could you maybe explain how it's the dems fighting spending? Maybe a link if that makes it easier for you?
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:16 PM
 
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I really don't get your post. Could you maybe explain how it's the dems fighting spending? Maybe a link if that makes it easier for you?
It's pretty straight forward. The tax plan the republicans are pushing and Obama caved to will increase deficit spending by 900 billion dollars. For how little the american people are getting in return, the democrats would rather let everything return as planned by bush and the republicans who enacted the bill, than agree with such an outrageous spending plan the republicans are proposing. Spending right now is the worst we can do, and those democrats are fighting to stop it.
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Old 12-14-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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It's pretty straight forward. The tax plan the republicans are pushing and Obama caved to will increase deficit spending by 900 billion dollars. For how little the american people are getting in return, the democrats would rather let everything return as planned by bush and the republicans who enacted the bill, than agree with such an outrageous spending plan the republicans are proposing. Spending right now is the worst we can do, and those democrats are fighting to stop it.
Leaving things the way they are isn't spending, the only way leaving things alone will increase any deficit is if the liberals in Washington fail to cut spending in accordance to their current income level.

Democrats aren't fighting to stop any spending, they're fighting to screw people who make a decent living and provide jobs to others because they tend to vote Republican.
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Old 12-14-2010, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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As for the "tax cuts" - keeping in place the tax rates that have been in effect for a decade is not a tax cut. It is disallowing a tax hike. It "costs" the government nothing.
I see that at least one mod thinks that trying to explain that maintaining the tax rates we have been with for 10 years takes money from the government. I wonder how that can be called anything but raising taxes. If you have to pay a higher rate after the law is changed than you did for those 10 years it appears to me that you just had a raise in taxes. Maintaining the tax rates is good in that it doesn't cost anybody rich or poor more money.

Yes, I know that many people don't pay any income taxes although many of them get money returned although they paid nothing. I just don't see how my wife and I don't get raised since we will lose the marriage cut along with other cuts in rates. I am starting to understand why I went from Democrat to Republican when the Dems kept nominating socialists for President.
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Old 12-14-2010, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Do you know why DeMint and Bachmann voted against it? Here's the truth of it...

Here's what the choice comes down to: People like Rep. Bachmann do not care about deficits when it comes to shoveling nearly $67 billion over the next two years to those with the top incomes. But to keep $293 a week available to unemployed people who run out of state benefits-suddenly the spending becomes a problem. Enough of a problem that Rep. Bachman would vote against the tax cuts if unemployment insurance were added to the package.

Deborah Weinstein: Michele Bachmann's Very Bad Choice: Extending Tax Cuts for the Rich While Ending Unemployment Insurance for the Jobless

Bachmann still wants her welfare farm subsidies for a non-working farm, but she does not want out of work middle class families that are struggling, to have an extension of benefits. She's a real sweety pie.
I keep asking libs to explain this term, unemployment insurance, to me since I didn't know that anybody paid enough to allow paying money to unemployed people to keep them going for two years and now we are extending that law. Why do I keep seeing libs using that term when it is so obvious that those payments are coming out of the General Fund and not from any insurance companies.
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Old 12-14-2010, 09:18 PM
 
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It's pretty straight forward. The tax plan the republicans are pushing and Obama caved to will increase deficit spending by 900 billion dollars. For how little the american people are getting in return, the democrats would rather let everything return as planned by bush and the republicans who enacted the bill, than agree with such an outrageous spending plan the republicans are proposing. Spending right now is the worst we can do, and those democrats are fighting to stop it.
Well please forgive me but that didn't seem as straight forward to me as it obviously does to you. I agree that the American people didn't get much in return on the stimulus bill that the dems pushed through unless you belong to the Union. And I also agree that spending and tax increases right now would be the worst thing that could happen, but isn't it the Dems that are adding a bunch of pork to this new 2000 page bill that they want to pass before reading? Have you seen the pork that is hidden in this thing? Are you sure you aren't confusing the issue here and saying the highest earners should pay more taxes (an increase) to cover the pork added to this bill? I'm not seeing the dems fighting to stop spending. Where did you hear that?
The dems want to raise taxes that will not help to create jobs...and they want to spend those additional funds all at the same time. Now isn't that REALLY what the dems are fighting so hard for? Think about it.
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Old 12-14-2010, 09:25 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Wow with all these new Tea Party threads showing up I would guess some scared folks may be taking them a little more seriously and even asking for their help. I say go to one everyone is welcome
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Old 12-14-2010, 09:27 PM
 
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I personally hope they scrap the entire deal, except for extending unemployment insurance.

This deal has become nothing but a pork grab.

Let the chips fall where they may.
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