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Old 12-16-2010, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Will the cruel torment of America's Christian majority ever end?

"Every time I hear some fundie spouting off about the mythical war on Christmas I can't help but think of the opening of Monty Python's Holy Grail -- "Help, help, I'm being repressed. Come and see the violence inherent in the system!" I suppose it shouldn't come as a shock that people whose religion is based upon an act of martyrdom should have such a ridiculously oversized persecution complex."

Jon Stewart on the War on Christmas : Dispatches from the Culture Wars

 
Old 12-16-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Will the cruel torment of America's Christian majority ever end?

"Every time I hear some fundie spouting off about the mythical war on Christmas I can't help but think of the opening of Monty Python's Holy Grail -- "Help, help, I'm being repressed. Come and see the violence inherent in the system!" I suppose it shouldn't come as a shock that people whose religion is based upon an act of martyrdom should have such a ridiculously oversized persecution complex."

Jon Stewart on the War on Christmas : Dispatches from the Culture Wars
So you, Jon Stewart and whatever that publication you linked are the only ones who can declare peace or war with what happens yearly about Christmas parades. That was what the beginning of your link said. It read like that man who refused to ride in the parade this year because it was no longer a Christmas parade was totally wrong for refusing. Changing the name of the parade made him not want to take part and that was all I ever saw from Fox News about what he had done. Oh well, I am biased the opposite direction you are so I couldn't see what you and Stewart saw.
 
Old 12-16-2010, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Jon Stewart is another man that sees clearly. I have to wonder about people that chose self proclained persecution over being ignored.
 
Old 12-16-2010, 09:42 AM
 
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Forget the "war on Xmas"

What about the "war on Saturnalia"
 
Old 12-16-2010, 09:51 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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So you, Jon Stewart and whatever that publication you linked are the only ones who can declare peace or war with what happens yearly about Christmas parades. That was what the beginning of your link said. It read like that man who refused to ride in the parade this year because it was no longer a Christmas parade was totally wrong for refusing. Changing the name of the parade made him not want to take part and that was all I ever saw from Fox News about what he had done. Oh well, I am biased the opposite direction you are so I couldn't see what you and Stewart saw.
Christmas parades have never, ever been about the Birth of Christ. They've always been about the secular act of getting people in the mood to go forth and buy, buy and buy more presents. It's the only reason the parades were conceived in the first place and brought to us all these years. Commercialization of the holiday.To get ones nose out of joint because they've been renamed is just so much fake outrage. If anything, Christians should be glad to have the parades renamed so they're not associated with that much secular abundance going down the streets.
 
Old 12-16-2010, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Heart of Oklahoma
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Honestly, I don't think Christmas has ever been about the birth of Christ. Ask any kid what Christmas is, even the ones who are from religious backgrounds... Their first answer will always be "presents for me from Santa."
 
Old 12-16-2010, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Smile happy holidays!

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So you, Jon Stewart and whatever that publication you linked are the only ones who can declare peace or war with what happens yearly about Christmas parades. That was what the beginning of your link said.
It said nothing like that. Maybe you're linking to an alternate universe where Christmas isn't under attack from howling atheist hordes.

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It read like that man who refused to ride in the parade this year because it was no longer a Christmas parade was totally wrong for refusing.
'That man' is Senator Inhofe from Oklahoma. And yes, he's wrong about almost everything he says or does.

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Changing the name of the parade made him not want to take part and that was all I ever saw from Fox News about what he had done. Oh well, I am biased the opposite direction you are so I couldn't see what you and Stewart saw.
You mean you missed the part about the violence inherent in the system?
 
Old 12-16-2010, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Last year it was Nativity scenes. Now that they have all been removed, it's Christmas trees.
Next year it will be lights. Before you know it Christmas will just be another day off with lots of shopping.
 
Old 12-16-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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Philadelphia put up their annual " Christmas Village" and then took down the "Christmas" so as not to offend anyone. It was replaced with "Holiday". This was because somebody somewhere complained and they didn't want to offend anyone. The next day the mayor sheepishly apologized and ordered the "Christmas" part of the sign restored. You have a few malcontents and an over zaelous ACLU looking to cause trouble but there's hardly a war on Christmas. People that support Christmas just overwhelm those who oppose it and the other side withdraws.
 
Old 12-16-2010, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Christmas parades have never, ever been about the Birth of Christ. They've always been about the secular act of getting people in the mood to go forth and buy, buy and buy more presents. It's the only reason the parades were conceived in the first place and brought to us all these years. Commercialization of the holiday.To get ones nose out of joint because they've been renamed is just so much fake outrage. If anything, Christians should be glad to have the parades renamed so they're not associated with that much secular abundance going down the streets.
I'm a Christian, and I agree 100%. There are far more important battles for Christians to fight than this pointless "war on Christmas." From another West Michigander (I'm from Kalamazoo), thanks!
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