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That doesn't explain the dozens of dumb, ignorant, white suburban middle class kids that apply for jobs with me - utterly lacking in critical thinking skills an writing at a 5th grade level.
OTHER countries have immigrant populations too and don't suffer this problem.
Not necessarily. We have very lax laws regarding immigration. Heck, if you're Mexican and you can get across the border, you have a free pass to do anything you want and you won't even get deported if they catch you!
I agree with the other posters that money is not the issue here, as we throw gobs of money at the school systems. It's upbringing. If the parents are not instilling the value of education in these kids, they don't care to do a good job and they do the bare minimum to get by until they're 16 so they can drop out. Parents need to put more emphasis on a basic education and that is the only way we will see a turnaround.
Not necessarily. We have very lax laws regarding immigration. Heck, if you're Mexican and you can get across the border, you have a free pass to do anything you want and you won't even get deported if they catch you!
Is this seriously your belief? Or do you simply think that this type of hyperbole better makes your point?
It's sad when truth doesn't matter in argumentation.
Not necessarily. We have very lax laws regarding immigration.
No we don't. We have very lax ENFORCEMENT of existing laws...to protect the businesses that rely on their cheap, exploitable labor.
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Heck, if you're Mexican and you can get across the border, you have a free pass to do anything you want and you won't even get deported if they catch you!
I am personally aware of that being completely untrue.
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I agree with the other posters that money is not the issue here, as we throw gobs of money at the school systems.
Crappy pay attracts crappy talent. I've got two graduate degrees and am a talented teacher, or so I have been told. But I do something else for a living, because teaching is undervalued in this country and just doesn't pay. So, again, you get what you pay for.
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It's upbringing. If the parents are not instilling the value of education in these kids, they don't care to do a good job and they do the bare minimum to get by until they're 16 so they can drop out. Parents need to put more emphasis on a basic education and that is the only way we will see a turnaround.
Also true, but not the only problem. These parents of which you speak are themselves a faulty product of a faulty system.
I think the reason why our academic scores are so low, is because we have so many poor immigrant students, and black inner city students, that drag our test scores down a lot. We have a growing lower class, much of our new immigrants, legal and illegal, are poor and got here because they have close relatives here
Then the objective should be changing the educational environment these children are raised in help providing stable social environments that encourage these children to LEARN. But the minute you start suggesting things of this nature in America you get somebody accusing you of being a SOCIALIST! Other countries on the list have poor people too yet they still do well on test. Throwing a group of people under the bus based on race or ethnicity is NOT the answer. These people are NOT going anywhere in fact they are making up a greater percentage of the American population with each passing year.
Also you have states like West Virginia, and Kentucky, that don't have large immigrant populations yet still have low high school graduation rates and a low percentage of four year college graduates. So the issue is a matter of poverty and educational resources as much as anything else.
The biggest problem is cultural. We don't have a culture that encourages education. It's more important in this country to be physically attractive and have the most current material possessions than to the educated. We also have a fragmented education system with different states and school districts that teach different curriculums at different quality levels. EVERY COUNTRY that is ahead of us in education has standards and curriculums and quality levels that are mandated and controlled AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. But again you get accused of being a SOCIALIST if you suggest that for America. We have so many people stuck on ideologies that we can take the pragmatic steps needed to improve not only education but other problems in this country.
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What good is a college degree, or performing well in school, if you cannot get a decent job.
Having a GOAL is what inspires people to excel. If you have not hope for a bright future, you have no incentive to learn, and accomplish anything.
Get the JOB situation squared away, and education will take care of itself.
20yrsinBranson
The education system in the United States has been declining for the last 30 years and during times when the job situation was much better than what it is now.
While have a good employment situtation is important it won't solve the fundamnetal problems we have with the educational system.
The performance of American students should not be regarded as a problem, because American students probably excel in the most important thing in life; that Jesus died for them and they will go to heaven. God Ble$$ America!
Given our oversupply of college trained engineers, programmers and all the other technical professions I wonder why we are still calling for more. From an efficient student's point of view, why should the study difficult subjects if all they will wind up with is unemployment and a huge debt? Same applies to high school. Why study academic subjects so you can go to college and amass huge debts with no reward. Maybe a lot of American kids have figured out the game and don't want to play.
It makes more sense to learn the basics of a trade get a Union Apprenticeship and eventually own your own contracting company. You get effectively the same reward without the debt.
From my prospective the corporations running the country want ever more new technical graduates so they can pay even less. Hell they use the H1b program to drive down professional wages. Given the current bias against engineering professionals I would recommend a student study English, another language (Chinese?), clear writing, business, accounting and government. That would qualify them to study law and work for some big company’s anti environment legal department. Then they can go into politics and continue to shill for the corrupters. Lots of money is available for the truly amoral using this route to riches.
Desiring to work for the betterment of society and a clean worldwide environment is a near certain way to never have a secure and prosperous future.
BTW – the Korean kid has a good point. Slaving for the MAN is not the way to satisfaction. Caring for your friends and family is a far better path.
I think the problem is that there isn't enough money being spent on education in this nation. I think we need to triple the size of the department of education and regulate everything more.
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