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Old 12-16-2010, 09:19 AM
 
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.... should be a wake-up call for the nation

The latest scores of the world’s 15-year-olds on an international test of reading, math and science show the United States is merely an average performer, whose growth during this time of rising demand for highly educated workers has been stagnant. The good news, Duncan said, is that the U.S. is now pursuing education reforms that are hallmarks of top-performing countries, including high standards and investment in effective teaching.
http://www.ed.gov/blog/2010/12/inter...-can-lift-u-s/

The announcement of America’s middling performance on PISA followed President Obama’s call Monday for rebuilding our nation’s economy on a new and stronger foundation. Education and innovation are critical, he said, declaring, “Our generation’s Sputnik moment is now.” In a generation, the United States has fallen from 1st place to 9th place in the proportion of young people with college degrees. The President has set a national goal of regaining 1st place by 2020.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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.... should be a wake-up call for the nation

The latest scores of the world’s 15-year-olds on an international test of reading, math and science show the United States is merely an average performer, whose growth during this time of rising demand for highly educated workers has been stagnant. The good news, Duncan said, is that the U.S. is now pursuing education reforms that are hallmarks of top-performing countries, including high standards and investment in effective teaching.
http://www.ed.gov/blog/2010/12/inter...-can-lift-u-s/
Do all the high-performing countries follow the exact same educational program we do? My guess is not, so any comparison is unreliable.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:29 AM
 
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.... should be a wake-up call for the nation

The latest scores of the world’s 15-year-olds on an international test of reading, math and science show the United States is merely an average performer, whose growth during this time of rising demand for highly educated workers has been stagnant. The good news, Duncan said, is that the U.S. is now pursuing education reforms that are hallmarks of top-performing countries, including high standards and investment in effective teaching.
http://www.ed.gov/blog/2010/12/inter...-can-lift-u-s/

The announcement of America’s middling performance on PISA followed President Obama’s call Monday for rebuilding our nation’s economy on a new and stronger foundation. Education and innovation are critical, he said, declaring, “Our generation’s Sputnik moment is now.” In a generation, the United States has fallen from 1st place to 9th place in the proportion of young people with college degrees. The President has set a national goal of regaining 1st place by 2020.
what I found interesting from the report is.
How much money the U.S. spends on education isn’t the problem. We spend more per student than any nation in the PISA study except Luxembourg.

We spend more money per student then any other country but Luxembourg. So throwing money at the problem has not solved the problem.
A reminder here some place like Korea send students to vocational academies and only keep the top 10% of their students in academics. When we compare our top 10% to other nations top 10% we look a bit better
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:33 AM
 
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You get what you pay for.

But we can't have quality education in this country because the reactionaries call it socialism and the creationists call it secularism.

To satisfy these groups, we make our kids dumb. On purpose.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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I think the reason why our academic scores are so low, is because we have so many poor immigrant students, and black inner city students, that drag our test scores down a lot. We have a growing lower class, much of our new immigrants, legal and illegal, are poor and got here because they have close relatives here
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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Here's a blog from the same story, a well written piece.
[list=1][*]Michael
Posted December 12, 2010 at 4:44 am | Permalink
I know not much about education and let alone its policymaking. But I have an interesting cultural viewpoint as a Korean student studying in the states, who has attended an international high school for 9 years back in Korea, and lived his entire life in South Korea.
I seek principally to discount the often praised Asian education, culture, and parenting, solely based on STEM achievement, standardized test performances, or college admissions data. There are less statistically visible, and often undercurrent cultural trends in Koreans, that, as much as it is hard to point out statistically, hard to prove it to be flatly incorrect or bad.

Last edited by CaseyB; 12-16-2010 at 12:18 PM.. Reason: copyright
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:37 AM
 
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I think the reason why our academic scores are so low, is because we have so many poor immigrant students, and black inner city students, that drag our test scores down a lot. We have a growing lower class, much of our new immigrants, legal and illegal, are poor and got here because they have close relatives here
That doesn't explain the dozens of dumb, ignorant, white suburban middle class kids that apply for jobs with me - utterly lacking in critical thinking skills an writing at a 5th grade level.

OTHER countries have immigrant populations too and don't suffer this problem.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:38 AM
 
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.... should be a wake-up call for the nation

The latest scores of the world’s 15-year-olds on an international test of reading, math and science show the United States is merely an average performer, whose growth during this time of rising demand for highly educated workers has been stagnant. The good news, Duncan said, is that the U.S. is now pursuing education reforms that are hallmarks of top-performing countries, including high standards and investment in effective teaching.
http://www.ed.gov/blog/2010/12/inter...-can-lift-u-s/

The announcement of America’s middling performance on PISA followed President Obama’s call Monday for rebuilding our nation’s economy on a new and stronger foundation. Education and innovation are critical, he said, declaring, “Our generation’s Sputnik moment is now.” In a generation, the United States has fallen from 1st place to 9th place in the proportion of young people with college degrees. The President has set a national goal of regaining 1st place by 2020.

If you take out the millions of illegals flunking out and all of the anchor babies we are probaby doing great.
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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Do all the high-performing countries follow the exact same educational program we do? My guess is not, so any comparison is unreliable.
You're right. The other countries have higher graduation rates. More of their students stay in school. Therefore, the U.S. students' performance is even worse comparatively. We test only those that are still in school.

If you're wondering about the different 'tracks' other countries separate their students into, the international tests include all students, including those on the vocational 'track.'

And our advanced students (different study) lag behind pretty much everyone else.
U.S. lags behind in advanced math scores | Stanford Daily
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:40 AM
 
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.... should be a wake-up call for the nation

The latest scores of the world’s 15-year-olds on an international test of reading, math and science show the United States is merely an average performer, whose growth during this time of rising demand for highly educated workers has been stagnant. The good news, Duncan said, is that the U.S. is now pursuing education reforms that are hallmarks of top-performing countries, including high standards and investment in effective teaching.
http://www.ed.gov/blog/2010/12/inter...-can-lift-u-s/

The announcement of America’s middling performance on PISA followed President Obama’s call Monday for rebuilding our nation’s economy on a new and stronger foundation. Education and innovation are critical, he said, declaring, “Our generation’s Sputnik moment is now.” In a generation, the United States has fallen from 1st place to 9th place in the proportion of young people with college degrees. The President has set a national goal of regaining 1st place by 2020.
What good is a college degree, or performing well in school, if you cannot get a decent job.

Having a GOAL is what inspires people to excel. If you have not hope for a bright future, you have no incentive to learn, and accomplish anything.

Get the JOB situation squared away, and education will take care of itself.

20yrsinBranson
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