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Name one measure where things have gotten better. I can't think of anything. The economy has taken a giant $hit and is showing no signs of life. We are the brink of a Korean war. China is upset with our spending and so is the rest of the world. We are still in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Time for the Democrats to take some ownership here. How are we any better off now than 2008, let alone 2004?
Do you really expect to be enlightened here, or are you just asking rhetorical questions?
Bottom line, Republicans think the sky is falling because they weren't in charge the last two years. Even if the economy had turned around to the point of full employment in the last two years, Repubs would say that Obama is a communist/socialist who ruined the economy and that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Ried are idiots.
Democrats (at least the ones i know) think that the Democrats averted a huge looming disaster even if they haven't managed to make things a whole lot better in the last 2 years. And of course, they still blame Bush to a large measure (as they should...i guess).
Frankly, i'm astounded that you care about what the rest of the world thinks about our spending...especially since many of them have done stimulus packages of their own just to keep their economies afloat.
As for the "being on the brink of Korean war" and your comments about "still being in Afghanistan and Iraq" (as if you're really against our involvement there), i'll just remain dismissive (shrugs shoulders).
its 4 years..the dems took control in Jan 07 (the 06 elections)
and no we are not any better
the liberal globalist freetrade agreements are still in place, and jobs are stil leaving
we are still in afgan and iraq, and the current admin has expanded that into HOA, and somolia, and darfur, and has been carpetbombing civilians in pakistan
gitmo is still open,a dn torture is still happening
they made healthcare worse
liberals even increased the warrentless wiretaps
they have doubled the deficit,and have increased the debt by 50% already
have done nothing to fix their own mess of the housing bubble/bust
Do you really expect to be enlightened here, or are you just asking rhetorical questions?
Bottom line, Republicans think the sky is falling because they weren't in charge the last two years. Even if the economy had turned around to the point of full employment in the last two years, Repubs would say that Obama is a communist/socialist who ruined the economy and that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Ried are idiots.
Democrats (at least the ones i know) think that the Democrats averted a huge looming disaster even if they haven't managed to make things a whole lot better in the last 2 years. And of course, they still blame Bush to a large measure (as they should...i guess).
Frankly, i'm astounded that you care about what the rest of the world thinks about our spending...especially since many of them have done stimulus packages of their own just to keep their economies afloat.
As for the "being on the brink of Korean war" and your comments about "still being in Afghanistan and Iraq" (as if you're really against our involvement there), i'll just remain dismissive (shrugs shoulders).
All I can make out of your mumbo jumbo is the Democrats averted the economy from getting any worse. It's the worse recession since the Great Depression, but it could have still been worse. That's a weak argument. Any concrete facts, numbers, or imperical results?
All I can make out of your mumbo jumbo is the Democrats averted the economy from getting any worse. It's the worse recession since the Great Depression, but it could have still been worse. That's a weak argument.
There is a reason why the only thing you made out of my "mumbo jumbo" (whatever the hell that means) is that the Democrats averted the economy from getting any worse.....
That's because it's the only economic point i was making.
Name one measure where things have gotten better. I can't think of anything. The economy has taken a giant $hit and is showing no signs of life. We are the brink of a Korean war. China is upset with our spending and so is the rest of the world. We are still in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Time for the Democrats to take some ownership here. How are we any better off now than 2008, let alone 2004?
Actually, we have been under democrat control of congress since 2006. The ONLY difference, is that we had a republican president.
Sorry Charlie, unemployment under Bush...7.4% and rising. At the end of '09 Obama 10%. It's pretty clear which way the ship was headed under Bush, and while not completely ship shape under Obama, especially w/ his cave on the taxes, the number of jobs lost is FAR better than what Bush had.
In Dec. of '08 alone, Bush lost 719k jobs. SEVEN HUNDRED and NINETEEN...THOUSAND jobs. IN DECEMBER OF 2008.
How are better? Maybe you should stop watching FAUX News, you wouldn't be so mis-informed.
Let's correct the Misinformation.
In dec 2008, the Democrats have had control of both house and senate for 2 years at that point.
I may point out, that one of the first acts of the democratic congress was in 2007 to attach a bill to up the federal minumum wageto the Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007.
Soon after that, because of the artificial inflation of wages, and the deflation of wages of people NOT working for minumum wage, jobs started being lost. Costs started to go up, as people now had to charge more to make up for increases in employee wages, as those costs went up, other people had to start charging more for their goods and services, and in order to cut costs, more jobs were cut. In fact if you look at all of the economic statistics, the change in federal minimum wage, instituted by the democratic congress voted into office in Nov 2006, taking office in 2007, ( the last 2 years of Bushes presidency), was the start of the economic downturn.
You can BLAME bush for signing off on it, but since he was left with not being able to fund the troops unless he signed it, as well as getting blamed for not looking out for veterans, and not holding people accountable, due to pressure from the democratic controlled congress, he was forced to sign this bill, kinda like Obama and the current tax cuts.
So, if you want to know how and when the problems started, there you go.
Do you really expect to be enlightened here, or are you just asking rhetorical questions?
Bottom line, Republicans think the sky is falling because they weren't in charge the last two years. Even if the economy had turned around to the point of full employment in the last two years, Repubs would say that Obama is a communist/socialist who ruined the economy and that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Ried are idiots.
Democrats (at least the ones i know) think that the Democrats averted a huge looming disaster even if they haven't managed to make things a whole lot better in the last 2 years. And of course, they still blame Bush to a large measure (as they should...i guess).
Frankly, i'm astounded that you care about what the rest of the world thinks about our spending...especially since many of them have done stimulus packages of their own just to keep their economies afloat.
As for the "being on the brink of Korean war" and your comments about "still being in Afghanistan and Iraq" (as if you're really against our involvement there), i'll just remain dismissive (shrugs shoulders).
Democrats have been in control for the last 4 years, not the last 2 years.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are idiots, and they pioneered this problem in 2007.
Name one measure where things have gotten better. I can't think of anything. The economy has taken a giant $hit and is showing no signs of life. We are the brink of a Korean war. China is upset with our spending and so is the rest of the world. We are still in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Time for the Democrats to take some ownership here. How are we any better off now than 2008, let alone 2004?
Do you seriously think a McCain/Palin administration would have gotten us out of Iraq and Afghanistan any faster or made the world love us any more? Seriously? Or done ANYTHING that would have turned the economy around any faster than it is turning around now? If you do, I have a bridge to no where in Alaska to sell you.
Name one measure where things have gotten better. I can't think of anything. The economy has taken a giant $hit and is showing no signs of life. We are the brink of a Korean war. China is upset with our spending and so is the rest of the world. We are still in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Time for the Democrats to take some ownership here. How are we any better off now than 2008, let alone 2004?
Well, since the democrats and republicans are pretty much the same what exactly were you expecting?
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