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Old 12-24-2010, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Yeah a right to healthcare should be universal too...

FWIW I'm not Republican or even American and I think people who support capital punishment but are against abortion are slightly hypocritical.
I support capital punishment and I also support euthanasia.........the right to die with dignity.

I also support universal health care.

So I vote Democrat.

 
Old 12-24-2010, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Is a newborn a fully functioning member of society?
Not to me...but I don't value children.
 
Old 12-24-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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Then why do right-to-lifers want the government to interfere in a woman's choice?

If you have a right to life, you would also have a right to the healthcare needed to sustain life.

What leap?

Is the 7 month preemie I mentioned earlier entitled to expensive medical care to sustain its life?
Your fist presumption has to be correct in order for the rest of the argument to hold water. Yours is not and does not. Again, government does not grant rights. It seems to grant social programs but those are not to be confused with "rights".

No, a right to life (in this case to be born alive rather than aborted) does not automatically confer a right to everything needed to sustain that life. However, in our present society (USA), those premature infants do indeed get the access to that care regardless of the parents' ability to pay. Just because they get that care does not confer it as "a right". Do you actually understand what rights are and who confers them?
 
Old 12-24-2010, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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We're selfish enough to believe that just because we 'want' something we can do anything to get it? It's just a little obstacle called 'life' that's in the way.
It isn't about what they "want"...it's about what they "don't want".

I'd get rid of a tapeworm, if I found I had one. I don't need a parasite feeding off me.
 
Old 12-24-2010, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Or for that matter an elderly person of 103 who is bed ridden?

Is the arguement now on such a slippery slope that it is now ok to kill any human who is not a "fully functioning member of society"? Really?

Life should be valued, not dismissed when it is inconvenient. This is why abortion, euthanasia, and suicide are not "rights", IMO. The taking of those lives has an impact upon others, known or unknown at the time the "choice" is made.
completely acceptable.

my life has no impact on anyone else, and no one has an impact on mine.
 
Old 12-24-2010, 08:59 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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It isn't about what they "want"...it's about what they "don't want".

I'd get rid of a tapeworm, if I found I had one. I don't need a parasite feeding off me.
Guess what, you didn't magically fall from the clouds into your mother's arms.

You were a parasite in your mother's womb. Perhaps she should've just got rid of you.
 
Old 12-24-2010, 09:01 PM
 
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completely acceptable.

my life has no impact on anyone else, and no one has an impact on mine.
While the latter may be true in your perception alone you have no way of proving the former unless you live in an isolated bubble; which, from your own post history, you do not. You also have no way of actually knowing if your posts here on CD impacts anyone else do you? If they do or have then you have made an impact, be it postive or otherwise.
 
Old 12-24-2010, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Guess what, you didn't magically fall from the clouds into your mother's arms.

You were a parasite in your mother's womb. Perhaps she should've just got rid of you.
I totally agree. Instead, she delivered a child she didn't want, told me she didn't want me, and intentionally abused and neglected me. I considered myself lucky to get something to eat for most of my life.
 
Old 12-24-2010, 09:09 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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completely acceptable.

my life has no impact on anyone else, and no one has an impact on mine.
I'm sorry TKramer but that's a delusional thing to say. Nature is totally CONNECTED.

who keeps you alive? the people that grow the food you eat? Who gave you life? Whose paying for your healthcare?

Once you learn that we're all in this together, you'll gain a greater sense of fulfillment. The more you realise this the harder it will be to hate. I don't hate your or pro-abortion people the slightest. There's no way I'd go bombing abortion clinics I think those people are extremists.

For me it's about the principle of it.
 
Old 12-24-2010, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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While the latter may be true in your perception alone you have no way of proving the former unless you live in an isolated bubble; which, from your own post history, you do not. You also have no way of actually knowing if your posts here on CD impacts anyone else do you? If they do or have then you have made an impact, be it postive or otherwise.
Right...

nobody cares what I say, I'm just a faceless entity--like anyone else on the Net.
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