Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
And what was the "probable cause" here and where was the warrent.
Nobody is saying to remove security. But this is not security but theater and everyone knows it. And the last attempt was via fedex. Still nothing done to check shipped packages. If someone really wants to blow up a plane they will most certainly FIND a way. As long as the employees walk in and out with a card swipe (or their friends) you are NOT secure no matter how draconian it gets.
And it is a proteced right to not be subject to unreasonable search. This is unreasonable. Untested machines and rentacops with attitudes and on power trips are unreasonable, especially if they are not even effective.
What we need is real security as as long as the sheep keep herding through the gauntlet we will NEVER get it. What we will get is people who love power being fed more and more until they own us.
And I have a PRIVATE medical condition which I DO NOT want to have to display in front of a bunch of people. No way am I going to subject myself to that or the potential harm done by it being mishandled, as it has been by these goons. Why are MY RIGHTS lesser than yours because I have a medical situation that puts me at risk of being manhandled. If I did use a scanner I would have to be searched and would say no. Straight out. So where is my choice and how do I reconsider.
People have to stand up for rights, or we don't have any.
Where is your choice? You pointed it out yourself in your own post. I'll highlight it in red.
You would say no. Thats a choice you would make. You wouldn't end up on a plan but thats your choice. People that are saying this is rape or sexual assault are ridiculous because victims of rape and sexual assault don't have a choice in the matter. One would think this is all common sense but...
Where is your choice? You pointed it out yourself in your own post. I'll highlight it in red.
You would say no. Thats a choice you would make. You wouldn't end up on a plan but thats your choice. People that are saying this is rape or sexual assault are ridiculous because victims of rape and sexual assault don't have a choice in the matter. One would think this is all common sense but...
So if the TSA dropped all pat downs, x-rays and profiling and allowed everyone to travel unrestricted and then a plane carrying your family blows up, then who is to blame? Would you be crying for TSA blood?
The don't profile, a 90 year old great grandmother can be groped, fondled and x-rayed, while a 20 year old of obvious middle eastern decent is hardly glanced at.
That is the stupidity of not profiling. It's a government agency, incompetence, corruption, waste and stupidity is mandatory
They have already won & it was easy. On to the next step to keep us 'safe'.
Yep, all they had to do was yell "boo" and the surrender monkey cowards that seem to be in the majority raised their white flags and turned over their constitutional rights, and are now defending their cowardice.
Austin-Bergstrom International Airport - Texas
Hirschkind said because of the [pacemaker-type] device in her body, she was led to a female TSA employee and three Austin police officers. She says she was told she was going to be patted down.
"I turned to the police officer and said, 'I have given no due cause to give up my constitutional rights. You can wand me,'" and they said, 'No, you have to do this,'" she said.
Hirschkind agreed to the pat down, but on one condition.
"I told them, 'No, I'm not going to have my breasts felt,' and she said, 'Yes, you are,'" said Hirschkind.
When Hirschkind refused, she says that "the police actually pushed me to the floor, (and) handcuffed me. I was crying by then. They drug me 25 yards across the floor in front of the whole security."
An ABIA spokesman says it is TSA policy that anyone activating a security alarm has two options. One is to opt out and not fly, and the other option is to subject themselves to an enhanced pat down. Hirschkind refused both and was arrested.
You do realize there are other forms of transportation than just flying right? Drive, train, bus, etc...
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
