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Old 12-31-2010, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Companies are always on the hunt for well educated employees, even back in 2008-2009. Don't confuse cubicle drones with people who are educated.
I don't have a clue what you mean by "cubicle drones". I doubt any IT company would hire a doctor, for starts. That would eliminate the vast majority of job opportunities here in metro Denver.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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I don't have a clue what you mean by "cubicle drones". I doubt any IT company would hire a doctor, for starts. That would eliminate the vast majority of job opportunities here in metro Denver.

You make your views pretty well known on here when you quote socialist articles to back up your beliefs. I'm not sure your 5 Drs would be all that comfortable discussing this with someone with such a leftist bias. You may find out more on their views as they need to lower the wages of those under them. How much of a pay cut would you be willing to take?

Do you believe that Drs would only be qualified to practice medicine? That may be what they are licensed to do but surely you don't think their knowledge couldn't be used in other areas? And would they be limited to the Denver area? That's a bit of a narrow view, not?
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:15 PM
 
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I don't have a clue what you mean by "cubicle drones". I doubt any IT company would hire a doctor, for starts. That would eliminate the vast majority of job opportunities here in metro Denver.
Insurnce companies, research and marketing just to name a few that would hire doctors.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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We do not generally discuss politics of any kind at work, so these docs do not know I am a "socialist", as you call me. My friends IRL would laugh at that.

We do discuss health care. I have a good relationship with all these docs and they would not hesitate to express their opinions to or in front of me. The most I've heard is that we'll have to learn a different set of rules.

I happen to live in metro Denver, as do the docs I work with (duh!). You guys who think all these docs are going to get snarfed up if they quit medicine to do "something else" do not understand the job market well. Someone who has been practicing medicine for some time is not a good candidate for much of anything else. I have even heard docs say "If I could do anything else, I would". Perhaps you can elaborate on specific jobs a doctor could do and why they would be hired preferentially. If all these docs are let loose on the job market, some are going to end up unemployed.

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Old 12-31-2010, 02:34 PM
 
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The great majority of industrialized nations have universal health care for their citizens.
So who's treating them, auto mechanics?
The idea that American doctors are going to give up their lucrative practices, is likely NOT gonna happen.

You betcha.....Steve
That's the great fallacy being perpetrated by the Left--equating universal access to genuine treatment. There is, in fact, a shortage of doctors in countries with universal health care. And the result is that the doctors are overworked. And even then they can't treat, or timely treat, all those that need care. Canada is a prime example. Canadians come to this country because they can't afford to wait for needed treatment. Their system was introduced in the mid-80's and it has been living off the accumulated captial of previous generations. But it's finally catching up to them (just as it has in Britain) and the strains are just now beginning to be felt. I guess it would be too much to expect for our leaders to study and learn the lessons of failure.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Insurnce companies, research and marketing just to name a few that would hire doctors.
Do you think these companies have a shortage of qualified workers now? Are they looking for people? Are they looking for MDs? Research usually requires a PhD, not an MD. Marketing what? What do you think a doctor would do at an insurance company? The people who make the decisions on prior auths seem to be high school dropouts, from my contacts with them. Please provide some evidence that they could absorb 40% of the docs currently in practice, or even 25%, assuming some will retire.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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You make your views pretty well known on here when you quote socialist articles to back up your beliefs. I'm not sure your 5 Drs would be all that comfortable discussing this with someone with such a leftist bias. You may find out more on their views as they need to lower the wages of those under them. How much of a pay cut would you be willing to take?

Do you believe that Drs would only be qualified to practice medicine? That may be what they are licensed to do but surely you don't think their knowledge couldn't be used in other areas? And would they be limited to the Denver area? That's a bit of a narrow view, not?
Your post got me thinking of alternate work situations that would be immediately available for Drs. looking to pursue another profession and best fit their qualifications.

General Practitioner. As these act as gatekeepers for the insurance industry and are used to giving physical exams on a daily basis the job of TSA security agent would dovetail nicely with their experience.

Hematologist. These guys are used to diagnosing fluid breakdowns in critical body parts. Service tech at Oil Can Henry's.

Proctologist. It's obvious. A Roto Rooter Technician or midas muffler man

Dermatologist. Stanley Steamer Rug technician 3 rooms, 99.00.

Cardiologist. AAMCO Transmission expert

Gynecologist. Porn Star

Brain surgeon. Cisco systems server tech.

Psychiatrist. Moderator on CD

Plastic surgeon. Auto body shop repair technician

Urologist. Jimmy Dean sausage maker

Pediatrician. Customer Service at Nordstrum's
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Old 12-31-2010, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Do you think these companies have a shortage of qualified workers now?
They'd certainly open up spots for well qualified highly educated MDs, guaranteed. They would be stupid not to try to find work for them.

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Are they looking for people? Are they looking for MDs? Research usually requires a PhD, not an MD. Marketing what? What do you think a doctor would do at an insurance company?
MDs are perfectly capable of research. They publish peep-reviewed papers and are familiar with the process.

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The people who make the decisions on prior auths seem to be high school dropouts, from my contacts with them.
That will change.

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Please provide some evidence that they could absorb 40% of the docs currently in practice, or even 25%, assuming some will retire.
Again, it's not just that they'd get hired for corporations. They would start practices that refuse any form of insurance, go into cosmetic surgery, or expatriate and go into medical tourism.
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Old 12-31-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Your post got me thinking of alternate work situations that would be immediately available for Drs. looking to pursue another profession and best fit their qualifications.

General Practitioner. As these act as gatekeepers for the insurance industry and are used to giving physical exams on a daily basis the job of TSA security agent would dovetail nicely with their experience.

Hematologist. These guys are used to diagnosing fluid breakdowns in critical body parts. Service tech at Oil Can Henry's.

Proctologist. It's obvious. A Roto Rooter Technician or midas muffler man

Dermatologist. Stanley Steamer Rug technician 3 rooms, 99.00.

Cardiologist. AAMCO Transmission expert

Gynecologist. Porn Star

Brain surgeon. Cisco systems server tech.

Psychiatrist. Moderator on CD

Plastic surgeon. Auto body shop repair technician

Urologist. Jimmy Dean sausage maker

Pediatrician. Customer Service at Nordstrum's
It's cute how people who wish they had the lucrative lifestyle of doctors enjoy trying to demoralize MDs from behind the comfort of their keyboards. They'll be fine and they're perfectly capable of success outside of directly practicing medicine.

What about the other options I enumerated earlier? Anyone care to pick them apart?
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Old 12-31-2010, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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It's cute how people who wish they had the lucrative lifestyle of doctors enjoy trying to demoralize MDs from behind the comfort of their keyboards. They'll be fine and they're perfectly capable of success outside of directly practicing medicine.

What about the other options I enumerated earlier? Anyone care to pick them apart?
Don't take it personally, I was just having a little fun. Of course any Dr. would probably do well if they left their practice. They are highly trained, they are disciplined and they probably have a bunch of money in the bank to tide them over until they evolve into a different field.
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