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Old 01-03-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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Does it worry you? Do you really believe that it will improve? An economy that's as bad as it's been in decades, less and less opportunity even for college graduates, a political system in Washington, D.C. that's unresponsive to our needs let alone the needs and desires of our children? When I grew up in the '70's, the future was there if you were willing to work for it. I read so many accounts of despondent teens and young adults and my first reaction is, 'Of course! Look at the world we're leaving them..'

Does anybody really believe that our kids have as much to look forward to as we did? Maybe the real question is, with such gridlock, corruption in our political system, can we really hope for significant change in time for our children?
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:39 PM
 
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Does it worry you? Do you really believe that it will improve? An economy that's as bad as it's been in decades, less and less opportunity even for college graduates, a political system in Washington, D.C. that's unresponsive to our needs let alone the needs and desires of our children? When I grew up in the '70's, the future was there if you were willing to work for it. I read so many accounts of despondent teens and young adults and my first reaction is, 'Of course! Look at the world we're leaving them..'

Does anybody really believe that our kids have as much to look forward to as we did? Maybe the real question is, with such gridlock, corruption in our political system, can we really hope for significant change in time for our children?
That sort of depends upon your defintion of "significant change," doesn't it?
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:46 PM
 
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That sort of depends upon your defintion of "significant change," doesn't it?
See, contrary to all indications, I still believe that most of our elected officials are smart, moral, and well meaning. However, if they want to play the political game, and have any chance of a career in Washington, they will have to take money.. Most will say that will have no bearing on how they vote, but I doubt many of us believe that. As long as that is the case, they will never put our interests ahead of the corporations that are paying their bills, and therefore are allowing them to remain competitive. I'd say that any change in our laws regulating campaign finance would be significant change, but I just don't see it.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Texas
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See, contrary to all indications, I still believe that most of our elected officials are smart, moral, and well meaning. However, if they want to play the political game, and have any chance of a career in Washington, they will have to take money.. Most will say that will have no bearing on how they vote, but I doubt many of us believe that. As long as that is the case, they will never put our interests ahead of the corporations that are paying their bills, and therefore are allowing them to remain competitive. I'd say that any change in our laws regulating campaign finance would be significant, but I just don't see it.

I agree with that. The solution to the inordinate influence of big money is public financing of elections, but that's not going anywhere any time soon.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:52 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Does it worry you? Do you really believe that it will improve? An economy that's as bad as it's been in decades, less and less opportunity even for college graduates, a political system in Washington, D.C. that's unresponsive to our needs let alone the needs and desires of our children?
Our government isn't unresponsive to everyone's needs, it's just unresponsive to the productive and contributing class's needs. The welfare class's needs are met, with no expense to them. Hence, the evolving idiocracy...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROlfR7WTo
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Our government isn't unresponsive to everyone's needs, it's just unresponsive to the productive and contributing class's needs. The welfare class's needs are met, with no expense to them. Hence, the evolving idiocracy...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROlfR7WTo

In other words, you think it's only responsive to folks unlike you?

Neither you, nor I, make up the body politic, and just because our view is in the minority doesn't give us the right to reject the wants and needs of others who may wield more political influence or power.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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I agree with that. The solution to the inordinate influence of big money is public financing of elections, but that's not going anywhere any time soon.
Right, and TV time is their big cost. I used to know a little more about this, but my understanding is that originally, probably beginning with radio, there was a decision that took the ownership of the airwaves away from the people and put it in private hands. Maybe this will be the shortest thread in the history of this forum, because maybe the sad truth is we are stuck with the system we have, that our elected officials will always be owned by big business and where does that leave us, and more importantly, where does it leave our children?
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:01 PM
 
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In other words, you think it's only responsive to folks unlike you?
Depends... are they unproductive and non-contributing members of society?

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Neither you, nor I, make up the body politic, and just because our view is in the minority doesn't give us the right to reject the wants and needs of others who may wield more political influence or power.
Are you saying the welfare class has more political power than the productive and contributing class? Interesting observation...

That makes an even stronger case for the evolving idiocracy.
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:06 PM
 
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If the world is such a problem and will continue to be hosed for some time (probably forever), why do people continue to have so many kids?

I mean, people talk about expense, poor education, lack of jobs, etc. They want handouts and tax breaks simply for breeding and I seriously can't understand what that's about.

The world will not get better, there will be water wars (World Bank forces countries to sell water rights), increasing poverty, continued degredation of our standard of living, inceased cost of education, stagnant wages... What kind of jobs will you have? Service jobs, there's little manufacturing in the US.

Why continue to bring children into the world with this as the future?
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:12 PM
 
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If the world is such a problem and will continue to be hosed for some time (probably forever), why do people continue to have so many kids?

I mean, people talk about expense, poor education, lack of jobs, etc. They want handouts and tax breaks simply for breeding and I seriously can't understand what that's about.

The world will not get better, there will be water wars (World Bank forces countries to sell water rights), increasing poverty, continued degredation of our standard of living, inceased cost of education, stagnant wages... What kind of jobs will you have? Service jobs, there's little manufacturing in the US.

Why continue to bring children into the world with this as the future?
So, would you suggest that we stop procreating altogether? For some of us it's too late for that. I've fathered one child, will never father another, but that doesn't make my concerns any less.
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