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Old 06-02-2011, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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That old canard has been debunked. Do a search.
Not even, are you disputing that the Amish are far healthier than the average American and have fractional incidence of the diseases seen in our population today? Get real, apparently you need to research. They don't eat processed food, they exercise regularly (manual labor), they don't take pharma-junk etc. What's debunked? I did do research, there two, count-em two sides to that (Amish vaccine) story and neither one has irrefutable evidence...just a matter of what supports your predisposition.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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For all of the people who blindly put all of their faith in the every last finding and recommendation made by the almighty, omnipotent, infallible CDC when researching important medical decisions, such as vaccinating their 3 minute old newborn for the lifestyle disease of hep B or following the current recommended intensive vaccine schedule (which has almost tripled since I was a small child), let me present this CDC blasphemy as as reminder why some of us insist upon heretics thinking for ourselves:

CDC Vaccine Scientist Who Downplayed Links to Autism Indicted by DOJ in Alleged Fraud Scheme

CDC Vaccine Scientist Who Downplayed Links to Autism Indicted by DOJ in Alleged Fraud Scheme

Article excerpt...
"And yet when one of their own "insider" scientists like Dr. Poul Thorsen is indicted for fraud and money laundering, they don't question the integrity of his scientific research in the least. In fact, the CDC is now publicly defending his research! His research is still openly cited on the CDC's own website!"

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Old 06-02-2011, 09:27 PM
 
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By the way, why all the hostility toward non-vaccinated people on this thread? If you and your kids are vaccinated then what do you have to worry about...your bullet proof...its just gonna be natural selection for all of the misguided fools, right?
Babies cannot get vaccinated for many illnesses until they reach a certain age. The immuno-compromised cannot get vaccinated at all. Many vaccines are not 100% effective. Educate yourself before you post. Stop making arguements that directly threaten public health and we'll stop thinking of the anti-vax brigade as ill informed half wits.

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I would close with an interesting fact I read recently, there is almost zero incidence of autism (nor many of the other auto-immune disorders that have cropped up in the last 50 yrs or so) in the Amish community and most do not partake in many pharmacueticals (including vaccines)....hmmm....just a co-inky-dink? Maybe, maybe not.
Not a single assertion of this post is true.

The Amish have autism and they vaccinate:

Do The Amish Vaccinate? Indeed They Do, AND Their Autism Rates May be Lower

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Not even, are you disputing that the Amish are far healthier than the average American and have fractional incidence of the diseases seen in our population today? Get real, apparently you need to research. They don't eat processed food, they exercise regularly (manual labor), they don't take pharma-junk etc. What's debunked? I did do research, there two, count-em two sides to that (Amish vaccine) story and neither one has irrefutable evidence...just a matter of what supports your predisposition.
The Amish are not healthier than the general population. They're far too inbred. They have diseases like Maple Syrup Urine disease that the rest of us don't.

Genetic Disorders Hit Amish Hard - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Reading badly written anti-vax websites does not constitute "research."
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:32 PM
 
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For all of the people who blindly put all of their faith in the every last finding and recommendation made by the almighty, omnipotent, infallible CDC when researching important medical decisions, such as vaccinating their 3 minute old newborn for the lifestyle disease of hep B or following the current recommended intensive vaccine schedule (which has almost tripled since I was a small child), let me present this CDC blasphemy as as reminder why some of us insist upon heretics thinking for ourselves:

CDC Vaccine Scientist Who Downplayed Links to Autism Indicted by DOJ in Alleged Fraud Scheme

CDC Vaccine Scientist Who Downplayed Links to Autism Indicted by DOJ in Alleged Fraud Scheme

Article excerpt...
"And yet when one of their own "insider" scientists like Dr. Poul Thorsen is indicted for fraud and money laundering, they don't question the integrity of his scientific research in the least. In fact, the CDC is now publicly defending his research! His research is still openly cited on the CDC's own website!"
Thanks to the tripling of the vaccine schedule babies no longer drop dead from diseases like hib. Thanks to vaccines like hep b little babies no longer grow up needing liver transplants. In places like Asia where the vaccine is not as commonly used about five percent of the population is infected and one third of the cases in question have no known risk factors. Why are you arguing in favor of dangerous and infectious diseases? That's crazy.

Thorsen is a minor official who does not negate the effects of studies illustrating that vaccines do not cause autism:

Science-Based Medicine The curious case of Poul Thorsen, fraud and embezzlement, and the Danish vaccine-autism studies
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:46 PM
 
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There is always those who think everyhtig is a conpircay to poison the people. Can't really be helped as long as there is grants(money) and 15 minutes of attention.
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:20 PM
 
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Article excerpt...
"And yet when one of their own "insider" scientists like Dr. Poul Thorsen is indicted for fraud and money laundering, they don't question the integrity of his scientific research in the least. In fact, the CDC is now publicly defending his research! His research is still openly cited on the CDC's own website!"
It's pretty amazing how that article manages to make two studies that Thorsen wasn't even heading sound like solo projects of his. It's not a full lie, but it sure isn't honest.

You don't overturn research by pointing out that the author is a dishonest character. You do your own research. Then again, the Danish numbers are hard to argue with, so I guess it's only logical to focus on Thorsen's personal failings.
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:33 PM
 
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Hippie green freaks and anti-government conspiracy type people who are anti-immunization are really annoying.

Get your kids vaccinated. Don't be an idiot.
People survived millions of years without vaccinations. Why do we need them now so badly? And why should we trust companies that make them for a huge profit? And why are these companies immune to lawsuits should something go wrong in a bioterrorist attack where their products are used on our population?

It's not the bugs' fault we get sick. We will never eradicate bacteria and viruses. The whole study of illness needs to be reexamined. Weakness and imbalance in the body is the cause of disease, the bug is just the catalyst. No inoculation (at least nothing made by Big Pharma) restores balance and physical integrity. It's all just a fear-driven profit machine, like so many other things in our world. Say NO to immunizations.
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Old 06-02-2011, 11:10 PM
 
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People survived millions of years without vaccinations. Why do we need them now so badly?
Actually, a lot of people didn't survive. Have another look at the painting in my post #41, if you care. Do you think that guy looks like he might have needed a tetanus vaccination pretty badly? (Tetanus infection still has a mortality rate of about 10%.)
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Old 06-03-2011, 07:51 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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People survived millions of years without vaccinations. Why do we need them now so badly? And why should we trust companies that make them for a huge profit? And why are these companies immune to lawsuits should something go wrong in a bioterrorist attack where their products are used on our population?

It's not the bugs' fault we get sick. We will never eradicate bacteria and viruses. The whole study of illness needs to be reexamined. Weakness and imbalance in the body is the cause of disease, the bug is just the catalyst. No inoculation (at least nothing made by Big Pharma) restores balance and physical integrity. It's all just a fear-driven profit machine, like so many other things in our world. Say NO to immunizations.
And your degree is from? That's nonsense, sorry. What kind of inoculations do you recommend?

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Actually, a lot of people didn't survive. Have another look at the painting in my post #41, if you care. Do you think that guy looks like he might have needed a tetanus vaccination pretty badly? (Tetanus infection still has a mortality rate of about 10%.)
Actually, the mortality rate for tetanus is about 20%, and a "healty lifestyle" or an inoculation of some unknown substance as recommended by the previous poster will not protect you if you step on just the right rusty nail.

(I'm agreeing with you, BTW.)

Vaccine/Vaccination/Immunization Dangers -Tetanus Vaccine
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Old 06-03-2011, 10:10 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Not even, are you disputing that the Amish are far healthier than the average American and have fractional incidence of the diseases seen in our population today?

Yes. I have seen Amish men smoking cigarettes. Others have provided links showing that the Amish have a lot of genetic diseases that occur with significant inbreeding.

Get real, apparently you need to research. They don't eat processed food, they exercise regularly (manual labor), they don't take pharma-junk etc. What's debunked? I did do research, there two, count-em two sides to that (Amish vaccine) story and neither one has irrefutable evidence...just a matter of what supports your predisposition.
Here's another side to the Amish vaccine story, this one from Delaware.

Pertussis Outbreak in an Amish Community --- Kent County, Delaware, September 2004--February 2005
Amish religious doctrine does not prohibit vaccination; however, coverage levels for routine childhood vaccination remain low in many Amish communities

Amish communities are more and less conservative, depending on the group. Some immunize, some don't. Some get care from "English" doctors, some don't. I'm not aware of any type of special Amish doctor; mainstream Amish only go to school until 8th grade.

Here is something about the last polio outbreak in the US:

Polio among the Amish
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