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You are not and never have been on my ignore list, but if you agree with post after yours which offered absolutely nothing of substance and was supported by others who, in turn, offered nothing of substance, then, yeah, it might just be a waste of time.
Why don't YOU define what "hatred" is?
You've been given plenty examples of why people don't like obama's policies, yet dismiss them out of hand.
Obama is a dishonest, manipulative liar who actually is pursuing an agenda that he hopes will take America off the international leadership stage. He wants America to fail so that the vision of Internationalist socialists can be realized. America is hated by the elite intellectuals of the world because we have been the single biggest roadblock to their plans to establish a one world governing system with them in charge.
Will Obama ever accept responsibility for something... - anything
Now here is a clear and concise description of exactly how Obama is the devil. Supported by verifiable source info and everything. Couldn't be more, ahh .. transparent?
Obama is a dishonest, manipulative liar who actually is pursuing an agenda that he hopes will take America off the international leadership stage. He wants America to fail so that the vision of Internationalist socialists can be realized. America is hated by the elite intellectuals of the world because we have been the single biggest roadblock to their plans to establish a one world governing system with them in charge.
Will Obama ever accept responsibility for something... - anything
This is the crux of my thread. I listed some of my issues with Bush and how living under his Administration was stressful and scary. Under Obama, I don't feel the same way because I don't see any new threats, just a continuation of the same mistakes. I used facts gleaned from my research and which could be found elsewhere on the internet by anyone else.
Yet, your response contains so many unsubstantiated adjectives that there must indeed be some underlying hatred for Obama. I could use the same long list of adjectives to describe Bush...who I think lied, pursued an agenda that put America at tremendous risk both to our economy and our reputation, and whose actions were like a shovel digging the first hole in the road to a one world government. So why is Obama the one who's being demonized while his predecessor gets a coating of Teflon? Why do people accuse others of saying that Bush was hated for irrational reasons yet somehow give a pass to your kind of post?
I recognize both men are hated by someone. The hatred for Bush I can understand. The excessive hatred for Obama usually comes in forms similar to your post which, again, lists all kinds of things but offers little in terms of substance. Innuendos don't count.
For the umpteenth time, I'm NOT an Obama supporter. I voted for Nader in the last three elections. Thanks.
If I say I don't understand why so many people here despise Obama, I will be labeled an idiot or ignorant or any number of other epithets the right wing resorts to when it can't adequately explain something to another person.
But I really do not get what all the fuss is about.
During Bush's tenure in office, I was afraid. We started off with a botched election. We found out the voting machine manufacturers claimed in 2004 that they'd give Ohio to Bush and we learned that practically anyone could hack into the counting. Our elections became a sham but we did nothing. We watched as buildings fell on 9/11 and allowed our government and a complicit media to make monsters out of 20% of the world's population, in effect, justifying war against a vast portion of the globe. We had our doubts about all of this but had to scream when the President said that he'd testify about what happened on 9/11 but without being sworn to tell the truth and with no one able to take notes. My suspicion catapulted before the dust even settled in lower Manhattan. These actions sealed it for me.
We watched as Cheney held secret meetings with energy companies and then sat back while electric rates in California went through the roof just to prove that large corporations could do whatever they wanted in search of profits. We saw how all environmental laws were cut back or dismantled. We saw the western landscape torn up by trucks installing countless oil and gas wells on formerly pristine landscapes. Mountaintop removal, an egregiously destructive process practiced by mining companies became the new normal.
We saw the government encouraging its citizens to spy on each other and turned our backs while illegal wiretapping of everyday citizens went viral and unmanaged. We saw how our troops followed orders from our top officials and conducted experimental and internationally illegal acts of torture on people that a) were known at the time to be innocent and/or b) were deemed to be less than worthy of basic civil rights. We incarcerated and force fed innocent people that were sold to our troops as terrorists knowing full well they had done nothing. Some were mere children.
Nothing that happened in the Bush years made me feel confident or secure. I saw corporations rape our resources and land, I saw them raping our bank accounts, I saw rights being trampled. I lived afraid that the government would, because of the powers granted it by an unread Patriot Act, forcefully inoculate me against my wishes just to keep me 'safe' in some future emergency. Protesters were kept at distances from events that made the whole act of protesting rather pointless. Police were given additional and special powers and the jackboot of authoritarianism walked the streets.
So, with Obama, I see that he hasn't fixed the economy which was in serious decline in the years before he took office. I see that unemployment is still high. I see that corporations and especially banks still get VIP treatment. And I see useless budget-busting wars continue for no reason that makes any sense.
Same old same old.
So why is there such hatred of Obama when practically nothing changed from the prior Administration? Bush spent trillions on war, a total waste of money. Obama supported a stimulus that didn't work, another boondoggle and waste of our money. He wants universal health care, a goal supported by the majority of our population, but wimped out under pressure from the medical establishment and insurance companies that couldn't stand that they might suffer a loss of profit.
If you hate Obama so much, where the hell were you when Bush was in office? Back then I lived in fear and watched everything go to bust, every value I held as an American was crushed.
I've been unemployed for almost six months without a single interview. Do I blame Obama? No. Fortunately, I sold my home in 2004 and made a profit so I'm not in the group of homeowners who are underwater. But if I was in that boat, I wouldn't blame Obama either.
Explain your fear and/or hatred in these times with real, NOT perceived threats. I had enough perceived threats under Bush. The world didn't appreciably change with the election of Obama, so why did your view of reality?
(Edit: Mind you, I have a lot of people on Ignore, people that can't argue effectively or are too partisan for discussion. I never thought Ignore was a good idea, but my blood pressure is more valuable to me now than whatever I might glean from those whose opinion is never anything but extreme. Sorry.)
You will never get a straight answer because 80% of the right wing on here know that at this present time their credibility will be destroyed if they tell you the real answer. But they are working hard everyday to make it so that their real answer will be accepted as great and just in this country. They don't hate Obama as much as they hate the idea that he represents. That a non white person who values workers over their corporate masters could win the white house. He is for the people on the floor with their hands in the dirt instead of the white shirt and tie CEO who just gets paid and ruins the company. This and the fact that his elections destroyed a lot of the stereo types that the right wants front and center about any non white person is what drives the deep rooted hate energy that drove the tea party these two years.
The racial hate for him doesn't come from all white people but anyone that is right wing has racial hatred for Obama. No doubt about it
I used facts gleaned from my research and which could be found elsewhere on the internet by anyone else.
Your facts are wrong.
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We found out the voting machine manufacturers claimed in 2004 that they'd give Ohio to Bush and we learned that practically anyone could hack into the counting.
False.
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We had our doubts about all of this but had to scream when the President said that he'd testify about what happened on 9/11 but without being sworn to tell the truth and with no one able to take notes.
False.
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We watched as Cheney held secret meetings with energy companies and then sat back while electric rates in California went through the roof just to prove that large corporations could do whatever they wanted in search of profits.
False.
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We saw how all environmental laws were cut back or dismantled. We saw the western landscape torn up by trucks installing countless oil and gas wells on formerly pristine landscapes. Mountaintop removal, an egregiously destructive process practiced by mining companies became the new normal.
False.
Need I go on? NONE of your premise is true in the least. It looks as if it has been taken straight from DKos and other Bush-hating websites.
Sooo...back to the question;
Hate, defined by the OP, must be the daily dissemination of the news regarding obama's policies, failures, scandals, lies, controversies, more lies?
What do you want to blame on Bush today? The Stimulus Act or maybe the faulty Healthcare Insurance Act?
Nothing. I rarely blamed anything on him when he was in office, let alone out. I'm just saying, the RWs on this forum decided at 12:01 PM Jan. 20, 2009 that we could not mention Bush's name in comparison with Obama. We couldn't let the old Bush budget pass through cycle w/o saying 'these are old Bush policies'; we couldn't talk about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and mention Bush policies that were in effect one minute earlier, etc. Now, when someone starts a thread about hating Obama, we have to talk about how people hated Bush, too?
I did not vote for him, but I came close. As a Head of State, as opposed to Head of Government, I think he is just fine. However, his policies are very statist and that is not the ideology that appeals to me. I disagree with him, but the majority voted for him fair and square and that's that.
Obama actually reminds of someone who could have grown up in my area- and that is a compliment. He does not remind me of Hitler or Mao. When I compare him to historical leaders, John Lindsey, Mayor of New York in the late 60s/early 70s inevitably comes to mind.
If it makes you feel better, when he appears on TV and my 3 year old happens to see him, I always say there is the President, the leader of our country. I teach him to respect the title.
And just to clarify- in the unlikely even that Obama were to be assassinated, I honestly think I would go into a pretty deep despair if not depression.
The rest of your intro is blathering drivel. More evidence of a bankrupt ideology running on fumes.
I think it is far more likely that some folks hate his policies than him. The country seems divided on him, just as they are on just about every president.
do you do stand up ? this has to be comedy, your recollection of events is unreal
I guess you could be a fiction writer
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Originally Posted by mhouse2001
If I say I don't understand why so many people here despise Obama, I will be labeled an idiot or ignorant or any number of other epithets the right wing resorts to when it can't adequately explain something to another person.
But I really do not get what all the fuss is about.
During Bush's tenure in office, I was afraid. We started off with a botched election. We found out the voting machine manufacturers claimed in 2004 that they'd give Ohio to Bush and we learned that practically anyone could hack into the counting. Our elections became a sham but we did nothing. We watched as buildings fell on 9/11 and allowed our government and a complicit media to make monsters out of 20% of the world's population, in effect, justifying war against a vast portion of the globe. We had our doubts about all of this but had to scream when the President said that he'd testify about what happened on 9/11 but without being sworn to tell the truth and with no one able to take notes. My suspicion catapulted before the dust even settled in lower Manhattan. These actions sealed it for me.
We watched as Cheney held secret meetings with energy companies and then sat back while electric rates in California went through the roof just to prove that large corporations could do whatever they wanted in search of profits. We saw how all environmental laws were cut back or dismantled. We saw the western landscape torn up by trucks installing countless oil and gas wells on formerly pristine landscapes. Mountaintop removal, an egregiously destructive process practiced by mining companies became the new normal.
We saw the government encouraging its citizens to spy on each other and turned our backs while illegal wiretapping of everyday citizens went viral and unmanaged. We saw how our troops followed orders from our top officials and conducted experimental and internationally illegal acts of torture on people that a) were known at the time to be innocent and/or b) were deemed to be less than worthy of basic civil rights. We incarcerated and force fed innocent people that were sold to our troops as terrorists knowing full well they had done nothing. Some were mere children.
Nothing that happened in the Bush years made me feel confident or secure. I saw corporations rape our resources and land, I saw them raping our bank accounts, I saw rights being trampled. I lived afraid that the government would, because of the powers granted it by an unread Patriot Act, forcefully inoculate me against my wishes just to keep me 'safe' in some future emergency. Protesters were kept at distances from events that made the whole act of protesting rather pointless. Police were given additional and special powers and the jackboot of authoritarianism walked the streets.
So, with Obama, I see that he hasn't fixed the economy which was in serious decline in the years before he took office. I see that unemployment is still high. I see that corporations and especially banks still get VIP treatment. And I see useless budget-busting wars continue for no reason that makes any sense.
Same old same old.
So why is there such hatred of Obama when practically nothing changed from the prior Administration? Bush spent trillions on war, a total waste of money. Obama supported a stimulus that didn't work, another boondoggle and waste of our money. He wants universal health care, a goal supported by the majority of our population, but wimped out under pressure from the medical establishment and insurance companies that couldn't stand that they might suffer a loss of profit.
If you hate Obama so much, where the hell were you when Bush was in office? Back then I lived in fear and watched everything go to bust, every value I held as an American was crushed.
I've been unemployed for almost six months without a single interview. Do I blame Obama? No. Fortunately, I sold my home in 2004 and made a profit so I'm not in the group of homeowners who are underwater. But if I was in that boat, I wouldn't blame Obama either.
Explain your fear and/or hatred in these times with real, NOT perceived threats. I had enough perceived threats under Bush. The world didn't appreciably change with the election of Obama, so why did your view of reality?
(Edit: Mind you, I have a lot of people on Ignore, people that can't argue effectively or are too partisan for discussion. I never thought Ignore was a good idea, but my blood pressure is more valuable to me now than whatever I might glean from those whose opinion is never anything but extreme. Sorry.)
The animosity against Obama isn't all that high. During Bush's tenure, a lot of liberal demonstrations featured signs urging Bush's assassination. Liberals made films featuring Bush being killed, either directly or in allegory. My impression is that conservatives want Obama out of office at the earliest opportunity, whereas liberals wanted Bush to die a painful death, whether in or out of office.
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