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Old 01-12-2011, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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One quick question.

Is there a difference between the Vice President of the United States and, lets say, Madonna?

One is a musician, one is the next in line to the most powerful person on the planet.

Whose words have more meaning?
I'll put my 2 bits on Madonna.
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Old 01-12-2011, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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We have heard a lot from various voices, some of them here, about how we need to "tone down" our rhetoric, lest there be violence. I am reminded of the lyrics of some songs, especially hardcore rap, which contains very violent lyrics. Who's to know how much violence has occured because of this music? Even if you can't point to a particular act of violence, the music is still out there (just like, we are told that even if the recent shooting can't be proven to be an effect of harsh political rhetoric, we still must be careful what we say). For some young people, hardcore rap is the soundtrack of their lives.

So what do you think, people? Progressives, should there be calls for rap artists to "tone down" their violent lyrics? And if not, why not?
Wouldn't that be considered Politically Correct behavior? Something you folks constantly rail against here on CD and other forums. Which way do you want it? More PC or less PC?
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:03 PM
 
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We have heard a lot from various voices, some of them here, about how we need to "tone down" our rhetoric, lest there be violence. I am reminded of the lyrics of some songs, especially hardcore rap, which contains very violent lyrics. Who's to know how much violence has occured because of this music? Even if you can't point to a particular act of violence, the music is still out there (just like, we are told that even if the recent shooting can't be proven to be an effect of harsh political rhetoric, we still must be careful what we say). For some young people, hardcore rap is the soundtrack of their lives.

So what do you think, people? Progressives, should there be calls for rap artists to "tone down" their violent lyrics? And if not, why not?
Does popular rap music still have violent lyrics these days? All I hear on the radio is that Auto-tune BS. It seems like the more popular rap music is already cleaned up on some levels from what I heard growing up in the 90s, when Tupac and Biggie were basically pop stars.

Look, gangster rap has been around since the late 1980s, it's nothing new. In that time we've actually had a huge decrease in violent crime rates, down to actually the same levels we had in the 1960s(When juvenile crime was apparently blamed on Motown and psychedelic rock music).
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:06 PM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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The only rap that's violent nowadays is maybe the more underground grimy stuff some of the old school guys still put out. The radio stuff is all dance hooks and ballads.
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Does popular rap music still have violent lyrics these days? All I hear on the radio is that Auto-tune BS. It seems like the more popular rap music is already cleaned up on some levels from what I heard growing up in the 90s, when Tupac and Biggie were basically pop stars.

Look, gangster rap has been around since the late 1980s, it's nothing new. In that time we've actually had a huge decrease in violent crime rates, down to actually the same levels we had in the 1960s(When juvenile crime was apparently blamed on Motown and psychedelic rock music).
There's no gangster rap anymore unless you count that crap from artists like plies who can't decide if they wanna be a goon out lurking or home flexing their tongue muscles.
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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We have heard a lot from various voices, some of them here, about how we need to "tone down" our rhetoric, lest there be violence. I am reminded of the lyrics of some songs, especially hardcore rap, which contains very violent lyrics. Who's to know how much violence has occured because of this music? Even if you can't point to a particular act of violence, the music is still out there (just like, we are told that even if the recent shooting can't be proven to be an effect of harsh political rhetoric, we still must be careful what we say). For some young people, hardcore rap is the soundtrack of their lives.

So what do you think, people? Progressives, should there be calls for rap artists to "tone down" their violent lyrics? And if not, why not?
Why not, it makes as much sense as blaming Limbaugh for the shooting.

Rep. Clyburn may as well blame the shooting on AZ on rap music, the culture of violence, angry lyrics that promote shooting of public figures, not to mention all the violent videos and the violence, abuse and objectification of women in both the lyrics and the videos.
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The only rap that's violent nowadays is maybe the more underground grimy stuff some of the old school guys still put out. The radio stuff is all dance hooks and ballads.
This is true. Too many fat gals wearing a dress 3 sizes too small that can't sing without auto tune and a bunch of guys in sneakers demanding that everybody in the audience put their hands in the air. Why should we all pay 50 bucks to put our hands in the air? IMO, the last good rap album put out was a Ludacris one about 4 or 5 years ago.
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:35 PM
 
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This is true. Too many fat gals wearing a dress 3 sizes too small that can't sing without auto tune and a bunch of guys in sneakers demanding that everybody in the audience put their hands in the air. Why should we all pay 50 bucks to put our hands in the air? IMO, the last good rap album put out was a Ludacris one about 4 or 5 years ago.
Yeah, rap music started going down hill when all the good rappers starting becoming actors or ended up being shot and killed...
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:39 PM
 
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Yes...let's censor hardcore rap (because that's the music you're really speaking of anyway).

But first, ALL MOVIES must be censored. No violence, no guns, no people getting killed. That's for all genre's...action, westers, crime drama's, mysteries, horror movies, etc.

After we do that, then let's go after rap.
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Old 01-12-2011, 10:08 PM
 
Location: MS
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Wheres Tipper when the OP needs her?
Putting that Parental Advisory sticker on a record guaranteed a record would go gold. She is right behind MTV as causing the largest increase in music sales.
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