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Old 01-16-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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Something's not right with this story.

After all, Mexico has very strict gun control laws.
And the cartel obeys every one of the laws too.....
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:30 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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And the cartel obeys every one of the laws too.....
Criminals do not follow the law?

Why that would make laws only effective against the law abiding.
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:36 AM
 
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Something's not right with this story.

After all, Mexico has very strict gun control laws.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah
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Old 01-17-2011, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And that is exactly why the very dangerous Mexican cartels now control the border. Washington DC fails to enforce any kind of law or have any meaningful border at all.

People easily cross over back and forth as their cartels please, they can easily smuggle weapons into Mexico for the cartel, they can easily smuggle tons of any kind of drugs into the USA every day, they can smuggle in humans who simply walk across the border and then make their way to every part of the USA. However - it's not about freelancers, everyone who works that border is working for a cartel that controls its.

No one crosses the illegal entry points without having the approval of the cartel they pay. The US government does not control the border at all, but the dangerous Mexican cartels do. And no - with that portion of the border, no one crosses over to visit tias and tios on their own - that's all done through whichever cartel controls it at the moment.

And it's this very lucrative border that has the cartels fighting now. It's all out war because whichever cartel controls the border is the cartel that rakes in billions of dollars.

Yes, but who are those "cartel's?"

Ignore the Jeffe's, or head honcho's. They can come from anywhere, even outside of Mexico. They're just names on a list.

The REAL cartel is the folks who live along the border, who warehouse, transport and sell the drugs which WE WANT. They are businessmen and soldiers in the very profitable enterprise of providing American's the dope they demand. It's just capitalism at it's finest. Demand=supply.

And, it's not the impersonal "cartel's" which control the border, it's la Familia. The family! Whoever wants to can creat a cartel, but is the familia's who will actually make it work and, moreover, MUST make it work because there's nobody else to do it. They ARE the cartel's, in spite of which name we hang on them!

For those who aren't familiar with Hispanic culture, and especially Mexican culture, nothing supercedes la familia except, maybe, the Catholic Church. And, family isn't the same thing as we think of it here. It's not just husband, wife, kids, grandparents. It's cousin's unto the nth degree and the off-spring of great, great, great relatives, stretching back for literally centuries. They know who their "family" is and they generally know what they're doing. It's a family system of support and acceptance which is totally foreign to our way of thinking and one which very few of us understand.

Nor do we understand or fully appreciate the influence which family has on our effort to curtail or stop drug trafficking.

The "family" is so broad, so large, so wide-spread across both sides of the Rio Bravo del Norte' that family members are involved in both the exportation of drugs from Mexico and the efforts to stop it on the American side. It's not at all uncommon to find a Border Patrol agent who has familia in the drug trade south of the border, and vice versa.

So, what does that all mean to our interdiction efforts?

Just this: Since la familia is a higher and more noble calling than any government which sits in DC, Austin or DF, it means that if a drug agent gets wind of an interdiction effort at a certain location, he simply must tell his cousin on the other side what's about to transpire, giving the cousin the opportunity to shift his efforts somewhere else. We, on this side of the border, will see that as treason, as undermining what the agent is required and expected to do, but HE will find our reaction totally confusing. It's family! Don't you understand? It's LA FAMILIA!

No, that's not always the case and, yes, there are certainly officers who put their duties above and beyond the family, but it's common enough to prevent the total elimination of the drug traffic, no matter how hard we try.

And, the reverse is true as well. La Familia on the other side might give up a drug transfer because a "cousin" on the other side needs to make a good bust to keep his position.

The bottom line is that is our complete and total misunderstanding of the border culture inevitably results in vain efforts. Our expenditure of billions of dollars and man-hours to stop not only the drug trade, but the trade in human beings as well (It flows both ways: Illegals north, sexual slaves south) comes to nothing.

We simply don't understant it all and are perplexed about why what we do isn't working.

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