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View Poll Results: Which of these would you Eliminate?
EPA 28 44.44%
Education 39 61.90%
Interior 10 15.87%
Transportation 8 12.70%
Council of Economic Advisors 19 30.16%
HUD 24 38.10%
Agriculture 19 30.16%
Labor 13 20.63%
Health and Human Services 14 22.22%
Energy 20 31.75%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-15-2011, 03:08 AM
 
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Yeah, who needs that pesky education anyway? Wii dont nee'd no durn ejumakayshun
I prefer my schools be managed at the local level, not by some DC bureaucrat.
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Old 01-15-2011, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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The Department of Education is unnecessary, education is a states issue. Not a single school in any state is a Federally staffed school, it's all the state's responsibility.
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Old 01-15-2011, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Yeah, who needs that pesky education anyway? Wii dont nee'd no durn ejumakayshun
Well, tell us, which FEDERAL elementary, jr high or high school, did you go to. Oh, that's right, there aren't any.

That's akin to the federal government putting together a "neighborhood parks" department, and dictating to the cities how their neighborhood parks should be equipped, staffed, maintained, size, location, etc etc.

Education is a state's issue, unless the federal government wants to take over the nation's schools, place all educators on the federal payroll, and force all schools in every city and state to all use the same textbooks, teach the exact same curriculum, and expect the same results, be it in little town Kansas or huge city, New York.

Ridiculous.
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Old 01-15-2011, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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None. All of them are there for a reason. Is there actually any chance that any of those departments will be eliminated?
There is no chance that DEA being removed at this time. I do think it can be folded back into the interior
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Old 01-15-2011, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Gone
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I am not sure who is charge of sending money to other countries, but we send Billions of dollars in aid to other nations and we need to stop doing so, especially to countries where the majority of people actually hate us. Take care of your own before attempting to take care of others, that is just common sense. I voted for HUD, but I doubt any should be eliminated, most could probably use reform to make them more efficient and a couple should get more fnding education being the one that comes to mind.
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Old 01-15-2011, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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Well, tell us, which FEDERAL elementary, jr high or high school, did you go to. Oh, that's right, there aren't any.

That's akin to the federal government putting together a "neighborhood parks" department, and dictating to the cities how their neighborhood parks should be equipped, staffed, maintained, size, location, etc etc.

Education is a state's issue, unless the federal government wants to take over the nation's schools, place all educators on the federal payroll, and force all schools in every city and state to all use the same textbooks, teach the exact same curriculum, and expect the same results, be it in little town Kansas or huge city, New York.

Ridiculous.
Well said. Sadly, with evidence of more and more standardized testing, more laws and rules, and with the Federal gov. taking more and more control of the schools I think that the one curriculum/one textbook is actually the plan. It is according to Charlotte Iserbyt former head of education policy in the Reagan administration and author of The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America. She was dismissed from her position for writing a letter to Reagan warning him of what she had found to be a deliberate undermining of the nations public schools in favor of having a "state" school modeled after other socialist/communist nations using by forces within academia and the federal government. Sounds outlandish til you read about her experiences - very, very interesting stuff.
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Old 01-15-2011, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Now, I've left a few off, like State, Defense, Treasury, Justice. Even though they are not on the list, their budgets should be slashed by at least 25%.

Mind you, these departments have hundreds, thousands of sub, sub sub, sub sub sub, departments that make up the whole. A good start would be to consolidate as many as possible for efficiency and cost-saving measures.

The EPA is given Cabinet level status.

Want to know just how bloated all these departments are - just take a peek.

The Cabinet | The White House

The Dept of Education would be my top pick. Issue guidelines, let the states keep their money to be disbursed at the state and local level - by the people who know best what is best for their state.

EPA - Issue guidelines, 10, 20, 100, 500 pages for states to follow. Let the individual STATES and the PEOPLE that live within them to DECIDE how best to tap that states natural resources. Why do politicians in DC get to decide how a state and its residents deal with it's natural resources? I imagine every state wants clean air, water and land, as well as the individuals and businesses that reside there.

CEA - has to go. Draft the top private sector economic minds, ONLY those that have practicable experience. right now, we have seen how the product the current CEA is tainted by politics.
There are some that I think could be combined.

For instance, the department of the interior could easily handle the EPA's role.

Others that I think overstep their bounds.

If you're looking for things to cut, cut defense.
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Old 01-15-2011, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Education is my pick because we don't need one as all it should do is gather data for the states and lawmakers to enable them to make decisions. It could easily be a small research division of some other Department of Government.

The Gulf Oil Spill made me realize the EPA is useless as you know what on a bull. We have too many bureaucracies related to protecting the environment. The EPA is a bunch of desk jockeys that don't have a clue how to do a job beyond regulations and paperwork. I'd make them a data gathering division in the Department of the Interior and slash their budget to next to nothing. I'd give some of the EPA money to Fish and Wildlife in the Department of the Interior because I can actually see how Fish and Wildlife functions (boots on the ground, so to speak) in various states in conjunction with the communities they're in and I think they do a pretty good job, even co-existing with sportsmen and women.

I'd cut the funding of every appropriations bill in every government Department that has an Obamacare hiring element to it.
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Old 01-15-2011, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Education is my pick because we don't need one as all it should do is gather data for the states and lawmakers to enable them to make decisions. It could easily be a small research division of some other Department of Government.

The Gulf Oil Spill made me realize the EPA is useless as you know what on a bull. We have too many bureaucracies related to protecting the environment. The EPA is a bunch of desk jockeys that don't have a clue how to do a job beyond regulations and paperwork. I'd make them a data gathering division in the Department of the Interior and slash their budget to next to nothing. I'd give some of the EPA money to Fish and Wildlife in the Department of the Interior because I can actually see how Fish and Wildlife functions (boots on the ground, so to speak) in various states in conjunction with the communities they're in and I think they do a pretty good job, even co-existing with sportsmen and women.

I'd cut the funding of every appropriations bill in every government Department that has an Obamacare hiring element to it.
I think we need a department of education because we need a national standard of education.

I don't want congress setting those standards, those morons don't know anything about education. At least the Department of Education is usually lead by folks who have worked in the educational world.
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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I think we need a department of education because we need a national standard of education.

I don't want congress setting those standards, those morons don't know anything about education. At least the Department of Education is usually lead by folks who have worked in the educational world.
I partially agree with you. But please don't make the mistake of assuming that because someone is employed by or appointed to Departments of Education at the State and Federal level that they have any educational back ground. And many times the one's that actually do hold a "degree" in education have never taught in a classroom. When you begin to look into many of these people's background you will see why their decisions are not based on any practical experience from being in the trenches, no, their decisions are based on theoretical practice that only looks good on paper or so called ideological research (which is done in conditions the will lend itself to the outcome they desire). Remember the head of FEMA, "Brownie", he had no experience whatsoever in disaster management and people died because of his incompetence. This practice of appointing unqualified persons into Departments because of political connections has got to stop. It certainly isn't making us a stronger nation.

Bearing all this in mind, it begins to make sense why the Education Department's new laws, requirements, standards, and teaching techniques they send down the pipe to us every year doesn't work and is making things worse. They don't even give us enough time to implement their latest miracle fix for schools and student scores before they send us another. But hey, all that matters to the politicians is they can tell the public that they are doing something, doesn't matter what it is but its something. We (the teachers) are getting absolutely buried in all this and then are the pubic whipping boys when things continue to decline. And lets not forget what this is doing to our kids! It has just go to stop.
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