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North, Yeah i can do the same thing with a hand gun. I need to know the buyer has a NH drivers lic only. Would I do that? No Way, not unless i knew the buyer for 20 years, a friend, and then i have.
I save reciepts (bills of sale) so if my friend sells to someone else, and that gun gets in a crime, my friend will have to explain what he did to the cops.
I can buy that Glasvegas. Years ago the Columbine event made me feel pretty guilty. I did consider getting rid of my guns, but wondered how to get money for them and not just pass on the problem.
Suddenly I realized I am not the problem this weak excuse for a society is the problem. Me Me Me, and that non-stop liberal whine.
The simple part is that these days when someone does a bad thing it is never their own fault, and no one appears to much of any sence of responcibitly.
Fix the responcibitly and everything else will be fixed.
Yes, it's certainly easy to blame an object, but it's people as individuals and in a sense, society as a whole. I know it's a complex issue, but we as a nation were to combat our gang problems in the inner cities, cut illegal immigration and inplement a better system in terms of the mentally ill, murder rates in the US would be no worse than anywhere else in the developed world.
Guns don't kill people; people kill people. You could argue that cars kill people too, but in the case of reckless and drunk drivers, people kill people. Banning cars to prevent drunk driving would be as ridiculous as banning guns.
[quote=Mac_Muz;17429363]North, Yeah i can do the same thing with a hand gun. I need to know the buyer has a NH drivers lic only. Would I dothat? No Way, not unless i knew the buyer for 20 years, a friend, and then i have.
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Nor would I. It's funny, I was hunting a few weeks ago and a new guy offered to buy my Browning Silver on the spot. Never had that happen to me before although I've had people offer to buy one or another of my older guns (notably my Winchester in .32 Special). Also have quite a few that are in the 3rd generation of family ownership (keeping in mind my grandfather died in 1919 and dad in 1960) and will soon enter the 4th generation with my two sons and two daughters (some already have).
I've been thinking about this, I've got a great idea.
Anyone who wants a gun can get one, all they have to do is provide a mental health eval within the past 5 years.
All guns must be registered and one round must be fired to go into a national database for purposes of matching.
All selling of guns requires filing of paperwork within 3 days stating seller and buyer with the ATF. If a gun is stolen, you have 24 hours to report it.
If guns are confiscated in crimes, they are tracked to last known holder, that holder is charged.
This does not interfere with second amendment rights at all. The only delay is making sure someone has the decision making capacity to carry something that can end another persons life quite easily. This only ensures responsibility of those who want to have firearms. Doesn't it???
I've been thinking about this, I've got a great idea.
Anyone who wants a gun can get one, all they have to do is provide a mental health eval within the past 5 years.
All guns must be registered and one round must be fired to go into a national database for purposes of matching.
All selling of guns requires filing of paperwork within 3 days stating seller and buyer with the ATF. If a gun is stolen, you have 24 hours to report it.
If guns are confiscated in crimes, they are tracked to last known holder, that holder is charged.
This does not interfere with second amendment rights at all. The only delay is making sure someone has the decision making capacity to carry something that can end another persons life quite easily. This only ensures responsibility of those who want to have firearms. Doesn't it???
Not trying to be a smarta$$, but what if the "bad guys" don't follow these regulations?
[quote=North Beach Person;17429503][quote=Mac_Muz;17429363]North, Yeah i can do the same thing with a hand gun. I need to know the buyer has a NH drivers lic only. Would I dothat? No Way, not unless i knew the buyer for 20 years, a friend, and then i have.
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Nor would I. It's funny, I was hunting a few weeks ago and a new guy offered to buy my Browning Silver on the spot. Never had that happen to me before although I've had people offer to buy one or another of my older guns (notably my Winchester in .32 Special). Also have quite a few that are in the 3rd generation of family ownership (keeping in mind my grandfather died in 1919 and dad in 1960) and will soon enter the 4th generation with my two sons and two daughters (some already have).
I assure you any stranger gets my final price and we go thru a FFL. I will split the price for that. Old friends are guys I know 20+ years.
Save people don't come by expensive mental health eval reports out of no where. The chief of police who issued my first permit blew out his own branins with his side arm. I have no idea why, but no eval would have made any difference.
Most states have no guns registery and will NOT. That is a fee tax base and infringment. That case thing happens and is as useless. I won't get into why, but trust me it's useless, and not one crime has been solved from that foolish idea. To get deep would be a How To, and i won't go that far. Gun Men know what happens in a registry, and will refuse that idea. Opps i just tipped my canoe over.
Most of the time the FFL does what you are saying the BAFT should, but mostly the BATF don't know which end of a gun is dangerous, do you really want them to do that?
24 hours really? Often times cromes commited aren't know for a lot longer than 24 hours. Once i had a car stolen and i didn't know that for 3 weeks.
That last bit has Infringement all over it, most of the rest is based on fees and taxes as fees. I call it infringment. I won't do it if it becomes law.
I already carry in any state that please me now. I will not be infringed.
BTW 40 states so far not a shot fired.
I guess this particular thread might be as good as any to reply to those who disdain the carrying of handguns on the grounds that the liklihood of ever being a victim of assault, or in a situation involving mass-killings by a deranged sociopath, is very remote.
Yes, this is statistically very true. One probably has a greater chance of being struck by lightning by going outside in a thunderstorm.
BUT? If it DOES happen? Then all gun control measures and arguments don't mean diddly-squat. Your chances of survival might depend upon a policeman being right there to protect you (and predators don't usually commit crimes when cops are around)...or else another armed citizen to be there and do what you chose not to do. That is, take responsibility for your own life and safety.
How often does it happen? Again, not very often. Suzanne Hupp thought something along those lines when she was in a Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, on an October day in 1991.
As she said later, she was legislated out of the right to defend herself and her parents. Both of them are dead now, her father dying a hero's death trying to charge the scum. This is one of the most poignant stories I have ever read:
Not trying to be a smarta$$, but what if the "bad guys" don't follow these regulations?
The idea is the bad guys get guns from irresponsible good guys. make the good guys be more responsible, and the bad guys can't get guns. Not that hard.
Think about it, its similar to punishing those that hire illegals, if you eliminate the opportunity, the illegals will stop. Can't we do the same with guns????
I guess this particular thread might be as good as any to reply to those who disdain the carrying of handguns on the grounds that the liklihood of ever being a victim of assault, or in a situation involving mass-killings by a deranged sociopath, is very remote.
Yes, this is statistically very true. One probably has a greater chance of being struck by lightning by going outside in a thunderstorm.
BUT? If it DOES happen? Then all gun control measures and arguments don't mean diddly-squat. Your chances of survival might depend upon a policeman being right there to protect you (and predators don't usually commit crimes when cops are around)...or else another armed citizen to be there and do what you chose not to do. That is, take responsibility for your own life and safety.
How often does it happen? Again, not very often. Suzanne Hupp thought something along those lines when she was in a Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, on an October day in 1991.
As she said later, she was legislated out of the right to defend herself and her parents. Both of them are dead now, her father dying a hero's death trying to charge the scum. This is one of the most poignant stories I have ever read:
What if she had it, fired and missed and killed someone else??? She'd still live in regret and she'd be responsible for someone elses death.
What if after getting concealed weapons permitted someone gets in her purse when its unattended and uses her gun to kill someone???
Personally, in her little story, while she's running her mouth, I'd hire an aide to steal something out of her purse, just to make a point, that a concealed weapon is a false security blanket and a risk for those around you.
I'm willing to allow concealed weapons, but I want them all registered, and punishment for owners of guns in crimes. if you want the right, you need to be responsible enough to have it.
Would you allow a blind man to drive?? Do you want someone driving who is unable to react if a kid runs out in the street???? Why do people think gun owners shouldn't have to demonstrate some responsibility??
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