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Old 01-18-2011, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I was watching the clip and something stuck out in my head. He mentions that only 3.8% of all violent criminals in prison today are women. Meaning the other 96.2% of all violent crimes are perpetrated by men. That is a pretty staggering difference.

LiveLeak.com - Penn And Teller: Gun Control - Full Episode

A large number of these violent crimes are assaults and rapes of women. So his idea was to arm all the women, to see what effect it might have on the rates of violent crime.

What do you think?

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/.../finalword.pdf

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. Maybe just a little two shotter. Something they can keep on them at all times, with a lock to keep the kiddies from having an accident.

I think the social stigma of guns deters women from getting a gun for themselves. If it is was common and free, I don't think they would be nearly as frowned on as they are now.
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:06 PM
 
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The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. Maybe just a little two shotter. Something they can keep on them at all times, with a lock to keep the kiddies from having an accident.

I think the social stigma of guns deters women from getting a gun for themselves. If it is was common and free, I don't think they would be nearly as frowned on as they are now.
In bold: could you possibly be any more condescending?

Social conditioning deters many women from arming themselves. Women have traditionally been the caretakers, the ones to clean up the blood, not to spill it. Therefore many women have difficulty making the mental connection between firearms being part of care taking and defense of their families/children as well as themselves.
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Why a projectile weapon? Why not a stun gun or chemical weapon? Women (and many men) might be more likely to arm themselves with weapons less likely to cause the kinds of irreversible outcomes that projectile weapons cause. The argument that guns are more effective weapons is kind of moot when many choose to be completely unarmed rather than arm themselves with guns... ... seems like a TASER or Pepper Spray would be at least an improvement over being completely unarmed?

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Old 01-18-2011, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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In bold: could you possibly be any more condescending?

Social conditioning deters many women from arming themselves. Women have traditionally been the caretakers, the ones to clean up the blood, not to spill it. Therefore many women have difficulty making the mental connection between firearms being part of care taking and defense of their families/children as well as themselves.
How was I being condescending?

And you have basically repeated my point. I just find there to be a need for women to be able to defend themselves. But for some reason society puts pressure on the weakest amongst us to stay that way. If all women carried a two-shot .357 in their bra, or on their hip, or strapped to their thigh. Small enough where it doesn't inhibit the ability to walk/jog/run/bike/etc, but a big enough caliber to stop someone. Then it makes me wonder how much of a drop in violent crime against women would occur.

It wouldn't be seen as strange or excessive if all the women were doing it.

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Why a projectile weapon? Why not a stun gun or chemical weapon? Women (and many men) might be more likely to arm themselves with weapons less likely to cause the kinds of irreversible outcomes that projectile weapons cause. The argument that guns are more effective weapons is kind of moot when many choose to be completely unarmed rather than arm themselves with guns... ... seems like a TASER or Pepper Spray would be at least an improvement over being completely unarmed?

H
Tasers are unreliable and impractical in most situations, especially if there is more than one attacker. Stun guns require you to be far too close. I mean, can you imagine an 80-year old woman trying to fend off an attacker with a stun gun(and many far younger women for that matter)? They are simply impractical in most situations.

Pepper spray is fairly practical, and it is small enough to be able to carry around with you. I know several women that have pepper spray on their keychain, or on their belt or belt loop. There are a couple issues though with pepper spray, such as overall effectiveness, and the potential to sort of diminish its effects.

Although I don't want people getting shot, I still see a "gun" as being a much better deterrant than pepper spray. I mean, a woman with pepper spray, I might still take my chances. A woman with a gun? No thanks.
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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In bold: could you possibly be any more condescending? ...
I missed how that was condescending as well.
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:14 AM
 
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i think MOgal didn't cotton to the idea of being confined to a mere '2-shotter'
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Old 01-19-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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How was I being condescending?

And you have basically repeated my point. I just find there to be a need for women to be able to defend themselves. But for some reason society puts pressure on the weakest amongst us to stay that way. If all women carried a two-shot .357 in their bra, or on their hip, or strapped to their thigh. Small enough where it doesn't inhibit the ability to walk/jog/run/bike/etc, but a big enough caliber to stop someone. Then it makes me wonder how much of a drop in violent crime against women would occur.

It wouldn't be seen as strange or excessive if all the women were doing it.



Tasers are unreliable and impractical in most situations, especially if there is more than one attacker. Stun guns require you to be far too close. I mean, can you imagine an 80-year old woman trying to fend off an attacker with a stun gun(and many far younger women for that matter)? They are simply impractical in most situations.

Pepper spray is fairly practical, and it is small enough to be able to carry around with you. I know several women that have pepper spray on their keychain, or on their belt or belt loop. There are a couple issues though with pepper spray, such as overall effectiveness, and the potential to sort of diminish its effects.

Although I don't want people getting shot, I still see a "gun" as being a much better deterrant than pepper spray. I mean, a woman with pepper spray, I might still take my chances. A woman with a gun? No thanks.
A taser is better than nothing. I will take that any day over bare fists. Unfortunately, blue state like NJ don't allow it.
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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i think MOgal didn't cotton to the idea of being confined to a mere '2-shotter'
That could be.

Saying: "The more I think about it, the more I like the idea" rather sets it as being his opinion.

If in his opinion he likes "little two shotter"s ... "with a lock", then that is his opinion.

Personally I have nothing against 2-shot pistols, they are easy to carry in a bra or belt buckle or inside a boot.

I don't like gun locks, I think they are stupid. But that is just my opinion.

I don't think that any adult should be confined in what type of firearm they choose to carry, which is why I stopped supporting the NRA.
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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I don't think that any adult should be confined in what type of firearm they choose to carry, which is why I stopped supporting the NRA.

Reminded me of this...

The biggest gun ever built, it weighed a crushing 1344 tons, including its railway carriage. With its breech block, the entire machine stood 4 stories tall, 20 ft. wide and 140 ft. long. Moving, positioning, loading and maintaining this monster required a 500-man crew commanded by a major general.


World's Largest Gun - Popular Mechanics
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