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Old 01-18-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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Those maps and figures have made the rounds for a couple of years now, but are quite misleading. They don't address federal welfare, they illustrate federal spending per state. Federal welfare is a tiny part of that, which includes funding for national parks, Interstate highways, military bases, etc.

For example, say that maintaining federal highways in Wyoming and New Jersey both cost $100 million/yr. Wyoming contributes far less taxes to the government than NJ, but the highway costs the same.

Add the fact that most of the wealth and the highest wages in this country are concentrated in blue states, naturally they are going to pitch in a higher share than those in sparsely populated rural states. Rich celebrities, wall street millionaires and CEOs don't live in rural red states, they live in urban blue states.
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It depends on if it's a Southern red state or a great plains/rocky mountain red state. The south has high rates of food stamp usage, but they also have a large Black population, which use food stamps at a much greater rate than the average. Blacks overwhelmingly support Democrats, while the rest of the South typically votes Republican. A quick glance shows that these states always vote Republican but use so much federal assistance that it creates a false hypocrisy.

Look at the following map of food stamp usage and it becomes clear:
Food Stamp Usage Across the Country - Interactive Map - NYTimes.com

I hope this doesn't come across as racist, but it's just meant to illustrate how this misconception about the South gets played over and over.

Comparably, look at similarly red states like Kansas, Nebraska, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho. They have the lowest rates of food stamp use in the country.
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Yep, this is true. It's a chicken and egg thing.

The red states get the most federal money BECAUSE they have the most poor people, which correlates with the black and Hispanic populations.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/fas-09.pdf



(Original Map edited out.) Let me first say that screwed up on post a wrong map for this information in another tread. I just am putting this out there just in case I do it again. But I believe this time the map that I've taken this time to post match the one in the Government report.

OK. So from the report it look like not just quote on quote "Red" states received a large share of federal for 2009 but some "Blue" states as well. I'm sure this is mostly because the economic meltdown hit those areas pretty hard. Also I'd like to say that some "Red" states are projected to actually have good economic growth in the near future. While a lot of the "Blue" may languish in the doldrums for a while. We will see.

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Old 01-18-2011, 02:33 PM
 
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Without statistics or getting too deep here. Blue states usually offer more social programs. For example state prisons in blue states are more likely to offer vocational training, are more likely to provide easier access to mentoring programs (such as Big Brothers and Sisters), more bilingual resources for non-english speaking people, and other programs. I have lived in blue and red states (with more time and blue) and this is just something I have observed. I notice that many of the right-wingers here accuse liberals of holding people back by keeping them on welfare when actually the Democrat governed areas of the country tend to provide many resources to facilitate upward mobility.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:34 PM
 
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http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/fas-09.pdf



Let me first say that screwed up on post a wrong map for this information in another tread. I just am putting this out there just in case I do it again. But I believe this time the map that I've taken this time to post match the one in the Government report.

OK. So it look like not just quote on quote "Red" states received a large share of federal for 2009 but some "Blue" states as well. I'm sure this is mostly because the economic meltdown hit those areas pretty hard. Also I'd like to say that some "Red" states are projected to actually have good economic growth in the near future. While a lot of the "Blue" may languish in the doldrums for a while. We will see.
This is the wrong map, again.
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Old 01-18-2011, 02:37 PM
 
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This is the wrong map, again.
Sorry guys. I'm trying...I swear it. Will edit out the map on post.
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