Hawaii Guv Can't Find Obama Birth Certificate!!!!!!! (Denver, biased, county)

[sanrene]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

By having one. The COLB, for example. That's one he had in 2007.


Amazing. I don't.

And what did he do BEFORE 2007, when he first received his "copy"?

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

The COLB he has already released meets that burden perfectly.

Apparently not. Now we need to see what it was based on, because it sure looks like there is no LF BC in the state of Hawaii's possession.

Can of worms, no doubt.

The media of course will try to ignore this latest little snafu.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by sanrene

Apparently, he is hinting a LF does not exist, although some kind of "listing" exists. Not at all what we have been led to believe.

Stop making stuff up. Why would he need to hint at anything? If he was going to lie about it, he would just lie about it.

Originally Posted by sanrene

Most of us knew there was a reason obama couldn't produce the LF, which every child actually born in a hospital would receive - it doesn't exist.

Of course you know... even children not born in hospitals get "long forms." Right?

Or didn't you know that?

Originally Posted by sanrene

This should pop those poll numbers up - where ONLY 42% say obama was definitely born in the US.

You mean the poll that says only 27% think he was not born in the US?

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by tofurkey

How did the O'men get a passport to leave Hawaii to travel to Kenya or Indonesia?

It was issued by the US State Department when he was 6.

Originally Posted by tofurkey

Was it a US passport or other country?

It was a US passport.

Originally Posted by tofurkey

Did he use a US birth certificate to secure that passport?

His mother did. Yes.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by sanrene

And what did he do BEFORE 2007, when he first received his "copy"?

He used other copies.

Originally Posted by sanrene

Apparently not. Now we need to see what it was based on, because it sure looks like there is no LF BC in the state of Hawaii's possession.

The Hawaiian DoH has called bull sh*t on that assertion.

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

[sanrene]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

Stop making stuff up. Why would he need to hint at anything? If he was going to lie about it, he would just lie about it.

Well, when he set out on this "mission" to prove obama was born in HI, I'm sure he thought everything was in order, but now might be finding he's missing a few vital documents, like the LF.


Of course you know... even children not born in hospitals get "long forms." Right?

Or didn't you know that?

Of course. So obama should have one, but the HI governor seems to be saying he doesn't.


You mean the poll that says only 27% think he was not born in the US?

No, the one that says only 42% think he is DEFINITELY born in the US.

Pay no attention to the headline, dive into the numbers;

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...s-born-in-u-s/
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/im...4/rel10k1a.pdf

Definitely born in U.S. 42%
Probably born in the U.S. 29%
Probably born in another country 16%
Definitely born in another country 11%
No opinion 2%

"Probably" means doubt. That doubt will get even bigger if Abercrombie can't come through.

[wrecking ball]

Originally Posted by sanrene

And what did he do BEFORE 2007, when he first received his "copy"?



Apparently not.

US state department requirements for proof of birth:

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.


the hawaiian COLB meets this standard.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by sanrene

No, the one that says only 42% think he is DEFINITELY born in the US.

And another 29% think he was probably born here. The poll does not capture the percentage that really don't give a ****.

Originally Posted by sanrene

"Probably" means doubt.

Or don't known don't care.

[wrecking ball]

Originally Posted by sanrene

"Probably" means doubt..

ah, fun with polls and definitions.

if the majority of people polled believe that george w bush was born in texas does that make it correct ?

do you definitely 100% know where/when you were born and who your mother is? how can you be 100% sure? you might want to talk to jack nicholson on this one. even DNA testing isn't 100%.

do i 100% know where/when obama was born. no. do i know beyond a reasonable doubt. yes. your definition of "doubt" includes unreasonable doubt.

[sanrene]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

And another 29% think he was probably born here. The poll does not capture the percentage that really don't give a ****.


Or don't known don't care.

Certainly does. That's what "no opinion" means. Poll adds up to 100%.

Probably born here, meaning they have doubts.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by sanrene

Certainly does. That's what "no opinion" means. Poll adds up to 100%.

You don't really know much about polls, do you?

Originally Posted by sanrene

Probably born here, meaning they have doubts.

Or that they checked a box because they didn't know and didn't care.