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Old 01-19-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Yes,of course....there is no other market in the entire world...

Imagine having a billion plus domestic customers for the good you produce?
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Old 01-19-2011, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Yes,of course....there is no other market in the entire world...

Imagine having a billion plus domestic customers for the good you produce?
Nope, can't use that example. The Chinese are prohibited from buying their own goods. I don't know how or why, but they are. Makes me feel better already, knowing that in my fantasy world, they NEED us. They need us, right?

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Old 01-19-2011, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Of the foreign holders of treasury securities, China is the largest, at just over 20%.

Social Security and other domestic entitlements are projections on spending, not actual debt. Of the actual, REAL debt that's held by foreign interests, China owns the most. Not by a lot - Japan is right behind them - but they're still literally at the top of the list.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...uments/mfh.txt
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:14 PM
 
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Actually it doesn't since the Guardian is misstating the Treasury Dept figures which are only looking at foreign holders of treasury securities. The Guardian's table based upon Treasury's figures is only comprised of the total debt held by foreign nations of which the total amounts to $4.3 trillion, of a total national debt of over $14 trillion.

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Of the foreign holders of treasury securities, China is the largest, at just over 20%.

Social Security and other domestic entitlements are projections on spending, not actual debt. Of the actual, REAL debt that's held by foreign interests, China owns the most. Not by a lot - Japan is right behind them - but they're still literally at the top of the list.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...uments/mfh.txt
Again, see above.

But regarding Social Security you aren't correct because the Trust Fund does indeed hold redeemable securities.

http://www.concordcoalition.org/issues/debt-facts
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:24 PM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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Great graph. I think that alot of people are under the impression that China owns a very large share of our debt, which is not true.

Why the concern over China?

1. marked trade imbalances
2. pirating of US patents
3. dumping steel to drive US steel out of buisness
4. exporting of manufacturing jobs to China due to very few, if any regulations, no trial lawyers, and very cheap labor.
5. While having a relatively small componant of US debt, there is concern about the Chinese not buying more US debt in the form of T-bills, driving up interest rates and decreasing the value of the bonds.
6. Consumption of more and more resources, driving up the price of oil and other goods.
7. The Chinese military increase in technology
8. artificial low value for Chinese currency, helping to create trade imbalances- money is power
In case anyone didn't know. There is no steel from the USA anymore. It is bad for the environment (). We get all steel from China and Japan. The husband is in the industry and this fact disgusts him.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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I'm tired of buying cheap crap from China. I wish we made more in this country.

I went through my closet and I found a 20 year old leather jacket made in the USA.

In 2011 the same jacket would be made in China.

There is a trade deficit with China - they don't buy as many of our goods as we buy of theirs.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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China is the one nation holding the largest amount of our debt...the rest we owe to ourselves...

So funny,we borrowed money to fund our nation from ourselves.
That started in 1790 with The Funding Act by Hamilton. In 1783, the public debt stood at $43 million but rose to $77 million in 1790.

At least the founders were keen on paying off the debt they had accumulated as opposed to redistributing any surplus.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:37 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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That started in 1790 with The Funding Act by Hamilton. In 1783, the public debt stood at $43 million but rose to $77 million in 1790.

At least the founders were keen on paying off the debt they had accumulated as opposed to redistributing any surplus.
And now we just keep borrowing more and more,to pay off the interest we owe....

We just need one more fix and we will be good....
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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In case anyone didn't know. There is no steel from the USA anymore. It is bad for the environment (). We get all steel from China and Japan. The husband is in the industry and this fact disgusts him.
My Uncle worked at a Steel mill in Columbus OH for 12 years, and lost his job because of DUI about 4 years ago.

The mill is still going.

Steel may not be as big in the states as it once was, but there are still active steel mills in these United States.

And don't forget the two huge steel mills down here in Alabama. TK Steel is one of the most sought after jobs in the Mobile AL area.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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In case anyone didn't know. There is no steel from the USA anymore. It is bad for the environment (). We get all steel from China and Japan. The husband is in the industry and this fact disgusts him.
That's not a fact. That's fiction.

US crude steel output up 11.2% in first two weeks of 2011: group - Metals | Platts News Article & Story

U.S. Steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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