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You have yet to offer anything justifying the US telling China how it should handle internal issues. How would you react if China started telling us we should be making good on every treaty signed with Native Americans? Do you really think we'd greet their input positively? Would we welcome China telling us how we should handle healthcare? The invasion of countries who've done nothing to the US?
Oh I see where the misunderstanding is. You have no idea of China's human rights abuses. Please do a little research and the rejoin the conversation.
I was watching news coverage of it, periodically would go to FOX coverage for a moment or two, then back to the news stations. The news stations pretty much agreed that what was said was what was expected to be said. The FOX coverage, well, was typical FOX, 10% fact, 20% misrepresent, 20% lack of understand and 50% lies. But you gotta give it to FOX, they are consistent.
I wouldn't rule out an embargo on, at least some, Chinese goods.
Although I am of the conspiratorial bend...having immersed myself in tomes like "Tragedy & Hope" by Carroll Quigley...one must consider this. Much of the pain that privately employed people are experiencing is also being experienced by the power elite. They also own homes (ok-mansions), real estate, art, businesses, and other entities that have been hammered by the economy.
Apparently there has been considerable infighting amongst the ranks of the power elite. Perhaps ultimatums have been issued?
I would also not rule out the possibility that keynote power eliters (think Rockefellers, Brz, Kissinger) are fawning all over the idea of a global system implementing the Chinese model of hybridized capitalism and communism.
China is easy to rule....if something causes trouble-incarcerate it. If a group causes trouble-kill them (think Tienanmen Square). The people have NO RIGHTS.
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Oh I see where the misunderstanding is. You have no idea of China's human rights abuses. Please do a little research and the rejoin the conversation.
Why are you not mentioning the human rights abuses in any number of other countries? I don't need to do any research to know the US cannot possibly right all the wrongs in the world, I believe our resources are best spent righting our own.
Why are you not mentioning the human rights abuses in any number of other countries? I don't need to do any research to know the US cannot possibly right all the wrongs in the world, I believe are resources are best spent righting our own.
Because this thread is discussing China, and Hu is in Washington now. If you wish to start a different thread I would be happy to join it.
What resources are required to speak out against human rights abuses?
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Because this thread is discussing China, and Hu is in Washington now. If you wish to start a different thread I would be happy to join it.
What resources are required to speak out against human rights abuses?
What is to be gained by telling Hu what he already knows?
And do you really think the leader of another nation should be listening seriously to human rights complaints from a country that's invaded/occupied a nation that did nothing to it?
What is to be gained by telling Hu what he already knows?
And do you really think the leader of another nation should be listening seriously to human rights complaints from a country that's invaded/occupied a nation that did nothing to it?
Again I suppose you think it wasn't worthwhile discussing aparthied with South Africa, I happen to disagree. An alternate argument is what would be lost by discussing with Hu what he already knows?
What you are describing is called moral equivalence.
Trade agreements and economic discussions are the most important, I don't really care about the rest.
I thought the whole purpose of the trade agreements and economic polices was to lift the chinese people up to have a better quality of life. At least thats what all the investors say.
Should we also pressure China to enact pollution controls and other regulations for the benefit of those people?
Oh thats right, it was all a bunch of BS.
Its for those business and investors to make a fortune off of, whilst proclaiming their false benevolence
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Again I suppose you think it wasn't worthwhile discussing aparthied with South Africa, I happen to disagree. An alternate argument is what would be lost by discussing with Hu what he already knows?
So, you chide me for bringing up other countries yet you bringing up South Africa is fine, eh?
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You may think America's and China's human rights record is the same, I disagree. And my suggestion about educating yourself still stands.
I am curious each time I refute an argument of yours are you going to continue to try a different line of argument?
I would suggest you educate yourself and look not with the :"America is always right" attitude but objectively. Look at the last 50 years of US history. Care to tell me how concerned were with human rights during the Vietnam debacle? Or invading/occupying Iraq for no just cause? Let's clean our own house before telling others theirs is dirty.
You flatter yourself claiming you've refuted my arguments, you've merely offered your own biased opinions.
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