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Old 01-24-2011, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
Planned Parenthood founders were big supporters of eugenics I do believe.

I like it when the mask of 'caring' slips off those who support abortion.

I also like it when people attribute the beliefs of some to the entire group.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:14 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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I support abortion on demand (government paid, as well as the rest of healthcare), up to the point where a child can survive on its own with no artificial means. (breathing tubes, etc.)
Interesting.

Should there be ANY outside interference in childbirth?
What if the lungs need clearing of blockages?

By the way,no baby can survive on it's own....
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:14 PM
 
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Much better to kill then give life
not your judgment to make. you don't want an abortion don't get one. your values play no part in others lives
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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you seriously can't want woman's health care providers to spend their time doing police work and just skip health issues all together?
Shouldn't stopping such atrocities as occurred at this abortion clinic be more important?
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Interesting.

Should there be ANY outside interference in childbirth?
What if the lungs need clearing of blockages?

By the way,no baby can survive on it's own....
You know what I mean.

If a child has to be hooked up to a machine simply to live after it is born, then I don't think it was 100% viable.

However, while no baby can survive on its own, after it is successfully and healthily born, it can easily be passed off to another party.

Fetuses cannot, therefore are subject to whatever the incubator chooses for them.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You then support abortion on demand up to the moment of birth correct?
As I have said before, I am happy with the guidelines that are in place now.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:20 PM
 
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Planned Parenthood founders were big supporters of eugenics I do believe.

I like it when the mask of 'caring' slips off those who support abortion.

again more propaganda and bs.

margaret sanger was not a perfect person and she is long dead.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:23 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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You know what I mean.

If a child has to be hooked up to a machine simply to live after it is born, then I don't think it was 100% viable.

However, while no baby can survive on its own, after it is successfully and healthily born, it can easily be passed off to another party.

Fetuses cannot, therefore are subject to whatever the incubator chooses for them.
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The limit of viability is the gestational age at which a prematurely born fetus/infant has a 50% chance of longterm survival outside its mother's womb. With the support of neonatal intensive care units, the limit of viability in the developed world has declined since 50 years ago, but has remained unchanged in the last 12 years.



Currently the limit of viability is considered to be around 24 weeks although the incidence of major disabilities remains high at this point.Neonatologists generally would not provide intensive care at 23 weeks, but would from 26 weeks.


During the past several decades, neonatal care has improved with advances in medical science, and therefore the limit of viability has moved earlier. As of 2006, the two youngest children to survive premature birth are thought to be James Elgin Gill (born on 20 May 1987 in Ottawa, Canada, at 21 weeks and 5 days gestational age), and Amillia Taylor (born on 24 October 2006 in Miami, Florida, at 21 weeks and 6 days gestational age). Both children were born just under 20 weeks from fertilization, or a few days past the midpoint of an average full-term pregnancy. Despite their premature births, both developed into healthy children.
The lower limit of viability is approximately five months gestational age, and usually later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viability_%28fetal%29

Chances for Survival
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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Shouldn't stopping such atrocities as occurred at this abortion clinic be more important?

seriously? you want woman's health doctors, nurses to be police and do the job of others that allowed this criminal to operate?

you would rather they give up woman's health all together? no, stopping atrocities like this criminal operation is not more important than all of woman's health for the female population.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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By the way,no baby can survive on it's own....
You are correct. However, that is just a play on semantics.

There's "survive" in the essence that a baby's body is physically capable of processing air and food and disposal of waste. Then there's "survive" in the essence of being fully capable of surviving without parental assistance (obtaining food, etc).

When somebody says, "up to the point where a child can survive on its own", they are generally speaking of the first. At 20-24 weeks, a baby/fetus is near-incapable of being separated from the mothers' body without dying. Before 20 weeks, the baby/fetus is completely incapable of being separated from the mother's body without dying.

But that's not the topic of this thread. The topic is about a doctor who performed illegal abortions and was finally caught. All we can hope for is that he is punished to the full extent of the law for his actions. What happened at this "hospital" should not have been happening.
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